[Archive] War Scrolls from AoS

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Heavygear:

War Scrolls from the AoS box. War Scrolls for all current models are confirmed as being free to download from GW web site starting Saturday. No word yet if this includes Chaos Dwarfs and whether or not we will be considered part of the “Chaos Faction”

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/age-of-sigmar-warscrolls-arrive.html

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Dînadan:

Looks like the no points value rumour is confirmed. Still no info on what restriction, if any, there will be on how many scrolls you can take in your army.

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Zuh-Khinie:

Does it matter? On all scrolls (except for the character) it states that you can take as many miniatures as you want of the same type…

So you can field 50 skaven, marauders, blunderbusses or whatever for just one scroll.

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Dînadan:

Does it matter? On all scrolls (except for the character) it states that you can take as many miniatures as you want of the same type...

So you can field 50 skaven, marauders, blunderbusses or whatever for just one scroll.

Zuh-Khinie
Your eyes are sharper than mine then - that bit is a blurred mess for me
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Zuh-Khinie:

The exact wording is:

‘A unit of Blood Warriors can have any number of models. They are armed with…’

‘A lord-Celestant is a single model. He is armed with a…’

‘A unit of prosecutors can have any number of models. They are armed with celestial hammers. Celestial hammers can be used as either a missile weapon or a melee weapon, and can be used as …’

‘A unit of liberators can have any number of models. They are armed with warhammers and carry sigmarite shields.’

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Dînadan:

Found some clearer scans: https://mobile.twitter.com/lady_atia

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Grimstonefire:

Sorry, I’m sure I’m just being dumb here…

So I get that you can take X numbers of scrolls to a standard game and (supposedly) they’re all so balanced in fixed quantities it’s a fair game.

But if there are no restrictions on the numbers of models per scroll…  I turn up with 5 and you bring 500?  Am I missing something here?

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Dînadan:

Sorry, I'm sure I'm just being dumb here...

So I get that you can take X numbers of scrolls to a standard game and (supposedly) they're all so balanced in fixed quantities it's a fair game.

But if there are no restrictions on the numbers of models per scroll...  I turn up with 5 and you bring 500?  Am I missing something here?

Grimstonefire
Nope (unless I'm missing it too). In fact you don't have to show up with multiple scrolls - if what is on the Sigmarine scrolls holds for the other scrolls you can take a unit of say, a thousand zombies and it'd only be one unit :~. Or heck, take Nagash and a unit of a thousand hexwraiths if ethereal is the same as 8th :~
Alternatively, you show up with, say, a Daemonsmith two units of twenty infernal guard, two units of twenty hobgoblins and a deathshrieker and I could turn up with 500 Bloodthirsters.

It definitely needs regulation in the form of consensus amongst your gaming group to avoid abuse unless we're only getting half the picture - it's possible that the rumours are mostly blag by the sales reps to cover up the full game which will be released later. Although if so it sounds like a terrible marketing strategy to me :/
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TheHoodedMan:

Dont think so, such information is seemingly nowhere included. I cant imagine that this will stay this way - there has to be a later publication which leads to some balancing; otherwise it would be a childs game.

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Dînadan:

Don`t think so, such information is seemingly nowhere included. I can`t imagine that this will stay this way - there has to be a later publication which leads to some balancing; otherwise it would be a childs game.

TheHoodedMan
Umm, isn't their target demographic 12 year olds?

Although I do feel like in insulting twelve year olds by equating them with this :~

As it stands I think the rules as leaked work as an okay game (provided your group moderates it of course), it's just nowhere near as great as Fantasy, and as a skirmish game, I think I'd generally prefer Mordheim.
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Thommy H:

If you have less than a third of the models your opponent has, you can win via a ‘sudden death’ condition. Also, we don’t know what other sorts of rules we’ll see on warscrolls in the future - there’s already one unit that has the balancing factor of being more likely to damage monsters and heroes. Scenarios may also play a part. We’ve only seen the basic “how to play” rules so far, with some very simple scenarios. There’s likely to be more.

Plus, the lead in time for this project must have been huge - we’ve had rumours for months, and completing all the backwards-compatible warscrolls for release on Saturday ahead of time is a pretty huge undertaking. There’s no way they haven’t playtested it with silly combinations of troops on the table. It looks like, while the balance will be a bit muddier than Warhammer’s, it will exist, but in an emergent form.

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Dînadan:

Agreed - as stands it’s off, so there must be other things to balance it that we haven’t seen

Sudden Death rules are pick one of:

Assassinate - pick one enemy mini with Hero, Wizard, Priest or Monster keyword, kill it to win

Blunt - pick one enemy unit over five minis, wipe it out to win

Endure - have at least one mini alive at the end of turn six

Seize Ground - pick one terrain feature in enemy territory, have at least one mini within 3" at the end of turn 4

I’m sure you could come up with a massive army that would prevent your opponent achieving any of those if you put your mind to it and they had a small enough force. Having enough minis means that each one you lose would be under 1% of your force making it hard for your opponent to win on percentages.

Just noticed that there’s mention of if you won your last game you get to roll on a table for an effect, so maybe it’s designed for campaign play?

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Heavygear:

We were discussing tournament options today at the flgs. We came up with either number of scrolls and/or max number of models as a limiting factor.

Ex. This is a 5 scroll 75 max model event.

The scroll’s keyword list seems to indicate any scroll with like keywords are playable together.

Ex. Beastmen and Chaos Warriors likely share the chaos keyword.

Humans other than sigmarines seem to be mercenary so Chaos Warriors and say State Troops likely share the Human keyword and you may be able to play them together.

Just an educated guess on my part. Don’t quote me on it.

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Dînadan:

I think the keywords are more to do with special rules - the Sigmarine characters have special abilities that effect minis with the Stormcast Eternal keyword only for example, although you might be right that such theming rules are as yet unleaked :slight_smile:

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Thommy H:

People on Warseer have been saying stuff like, “Okay, so you turn up with 20 goblins, and I turn up with Nagash - the game’s over in one turn…” Which would be true. But presumably if that were to happen, the goblin guy would go, "okay, well done, now shall we try it with the sides a bit more even?"

You absolutely can create a situation where one side has no chance to win, but what exactly would be the point in doing so? Obviously that’s an extreme example, and more likely is a battle in which the sides seem even, but actually aren’t, but that’s where I think the emergent balance is going to come in. Plus the assumption is that you have the models required to field whatever army you’re using. I know in practice that often isn’t the case, but GW - as the producer of those models - can’t be blamed for creating rules on that basis.

I don’t know. It seems like it’ll be okay, but I’ve never cared at all about winning or losing games.

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Dînadan:

I’d hope that if there aren’t balance ruled given, then people will be decent and agree to a ‘fair’ arrangement over what gets taken, hence my comments about your gaming group having a discussion and setting a house rule on what they feel is balanced, but you know there’s going to a handful of

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Heavygear:

I think the keywords are more to do with special rules - the Sigmarine characters have special abilities that effect minis with the Stormcast Eternal keyword only for example, although you might be right that such theming rules are as yet unleaked :)

Dînadan
The more I read, the more I think you are right. I will be heading down to the FLGS on the fourth to try it out assuming there are no problems with the downloads. I am curios to see how the game scales up and if Chaos Dwarfs are indeed included in the rules. It is obviously a different game. I want to see if I can play with my current 2500 point list. I play Warmachine all ready and enjoy their excellent background and fluff. I don't really need another skirmish level game that plays very nearly the same. The background I have read for AoS doesn't sound like something I'm interested in.

The rumors that the new models are of a different aesthetic and not meant to be backwards compatible is troubling. I'm not buying another new army so in that regard they have probably lost a customer. The free rules, however, do make it more likely I would buy a single model or two that I happen to like. I would simply have more money to spend on models. I am thankful I don't have to buy another $85.00 rulebook.
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snowblizz:

Now hopefully such people will be rare and few and far between, and most people will be able to agree upon a 'balance', but I have such low faith in humanity that if it did become common I'd be unsurprised :(

Dînadan
In my experience the vast majority of teenagers fall into this category until you beat it out of the on the field. With luck a few of them watch what happens to the other guys and won't require the literal lesson of "yeah I've been doing this for 10 years already, trust me, I can really **** stuff up for you if you want to go there".
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Grimstonefire:

The key thing to watch (aside from aesthetics obviously) is scale creep, as this would be the time for them to move to 30mm etc.

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Dînadan:

The key thing to watch (aside from aesthetics obviously) is scale creep, as this would be the time for them to move to 30mm etc.

Grimstonefire
Quick - buy all the old stock to flog on eBay after the scale bump to those wanting a consistent look with their old minis ;P