[Archive] Warhammer Survey

sgu97bjd:

This is an attempt to measure the internal and external balance of all of the army books. I�?Tll be posting the same thing on all 16 army specific forums to get expert feedback for each of the races. The idea is just to rate each army book entry according to the scale below.

5 �?" This choice is extremely powerful / under-costed

4 �?" A very competitive choice, good value for the points.

3 �?" An OK choice, not optimal but still decent

2 �?" This unit is below par, either underpowered or overcosted

1 �?" Complete rubbish, very difficult to find any use for it

To help keep this as consistent as possible I would therefore ask people to always consider this guide when rating things. Please base the scores on the whole meta rather than just your army book, so don�?Tt try to give out an equal number of 1�?Ts as 5�?Ts for example. If you think your book is one of the more powerful ones then I would expect there to be far more high scores than low ones, obviously the opposite applies to the weaker books.

A few things to have in mind:

�?� The assumption is that we are comparing in an uncomped environment.

�?� When rating characters always assume you are making the most optimal build possible (in your opinion) so assume the Vampire Lord is kitted out with Red Fury, Quickblood, Ogre Blade etc etc if that is what you think is the most optimal build, character mounts are rated separately though.

�?� Similarly with units assume that they are using the most optimal kit (most optimal can of course mean no upgrades).

�?� For wizards take into account the power of the spells that they have access to when scoring them.

�?� Lastly each unit / character should be rated in isolation, not in comparison to what it competes against in the book. So for example if there is a rare unit that is not commonly taken because other rare units are better and so take up the 25% allowance (maybe the gnoblar scraplauncher as an example) this does not mean that the scraplauncher is no good, just that it normally loses out to the ironblaster but it shouldn�?Tt be penalised because of what it is competing against.

In order to ensure that your scores are counted please reply to this original post and do not change any of the spellings of unit names, even if they are wrong. If I have missed any unit types out completely let me know and I will amend the original post. Please only use this thread to put up your scores, I don�?Tt want it to expand into a discussion thread.

Due to the fact that I am collecting data from 16 different forums and I honestly have no clue as to how many people will reply I don�?Tt know how long it will take me to analyse the data, I�?Tm hoping less than a week. I will not share what method I intend to use to measure internal / external balance at the moment as I don�?Tt want to skew any results, but I will be happy to share the calculations and all of the data after I have finished.

I will be posting all of the results for this army book on this forum. The more general conclusions I will post on the Warhammer forum.

sgu97bjd:

Please post your scores by replying to this post

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan:

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer:

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk:

Hobgoblin Khan:

Bale Taurus:

Great Taurus:

Lammasu:

Giant Wolf (CD):

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard:

Hobgoblin Cutthroats:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn:

Bull Centaur Renders:

K’daii Fireborn:

Iron Daemon:

Magma Cannon:

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher:

K’daii Destroyer:

Hellcannon (CD):

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders:

Chaos Seige Giant:

Dreadquake Mortar:

hiportes:

I’ll throw my two cents in:

Rare:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet: 4

Hero:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan: 3

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer: 4

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk: 3

Hobgoblin Khan: 3

Mount:

Bale Taurus: 3

Great Taurus: 2

Lammasu: 3

Giant Wolf (CD): 3

Core:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard: 3

Hobgoblin Cutthroats: 3

Special:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn: 3

Bull Centaur Renders: 3

K’daii Fireborn: 3

Iron Daemon: 2

Magma Cannon: 4

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher: 3

Rare:

K’daii Destroyer: 5

Hellcannon (CD): 5

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders: 3

Chaos Seige Giant: 2

Dreadquake Mortar: 4

Grimbold Blackhammer:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet:3
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan:3
Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer:3
Bull Centaur Taur’ruk:4
Hobgoblin Khan:1
Bale Taurus:4
Great Taurus:4
Lammasu:4
Giant Wolf (CD):2
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard:2
Hobgoblin Cutthroats:3
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn:1
Bull Centaur Renders:3
K’daii Fireborn:3
Iron Daemon:3
Magma Cannon:5
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher:3
K’daii Destroyer:2
Hellcannon (CD):3
Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders:5
Chaos Seige Giant:2
Dreadquake Mortar:1

gIL^:

Lord:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet: 4

Hero:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan: 4

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer: 4

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk: 3

Hobgoblin Khan: 3

Mount:

Bale Taurus: 3

Great Taurus: 3

Lammasu: 1

Giant Wolf (CD): 3

Core:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard: 4

Hobgoblin Cutthroats: 3

Special:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn: 2

Bull Centaur Renders: 3

K’daii Fireborn: 2

Iron Daemon: 3

Magma Cannon: 4

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher: 5

Rare:

K’daii Destroyer: 5

Hellcannon (CD): 5

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders: 2

Chaos Seige Giant: 1

Dreadquake Mortar: 2

That’s My thoughts.

Veshnakar:

My thinking on this.

Lord:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet: 3

Hero:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan: 3

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer: 3

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk: 3

Hobgoblin Khan: 3

Mount:

Bale Taurus: 3

Great Taurus: 3

Lammasu: 3

Giant Wolf (CD): 4

Core:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard: 3

Hobgoblin Cutthroats: 3

Special:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn: 1

Bull Centaur Renders: 3

K’daii Fireborn: 2

Iron Daemon: 3

Magma Cannon: 5

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher: 4

Rare:

K’daii Destroyer: 5

Hellcannon (CD): 4

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders: 3

Chaos Seige Giant: 2

Dreadquake Mortar: 3

Baggronor:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet: 3
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan: 3
Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer: 4
Bull Centaur Taur’ruk: 3
Hobgoblin Khan: 3
Bale Taurus: 3
Great Taurus: 3
Lammasu: 2
Giant Wolf (CD): 4
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard: 2
Hobgoblin Cutthroats: 2
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn: 1
Bull Centaur Renders: 1
K’daii Fireborn: 3
Iron Daemon: 3
Magma Cannon: 5
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher: 4
K’daii Destroyer: 4
Hellcannon (CD): 4
Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders: 2
Chaos Seige Giant: 1
Dreadquake Mortar: 3

furrie:

I'm seeing some of these numbers not making sense.  A 1 is an awesome unit and a 5 is a crap unit.  I don't think Infernal Ironsworn are actually getting a '1' from anybody on purpose!

Grimbold Blackhammer
Its the other way around 5 is an awesome unit and 1 is a crap unit

Bolg:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet:4

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan:4

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer:3

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk:4

Hobgoblin Khan:3

Bale Taurus: 3

Great Taurus: 3

Lammasu: 2

Giant Wolf (CD):3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard:3

Hobgoblin Cutthroats:3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn:2

Bull Centaur Renders:3

K’daii Fireborn:2

Iron Daemon:2

Magma Cannon:5

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher:4

K’daii Destroyer:5

Hellcannon (CD):4

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders:3

Chaos Seige Giant:3

Dreadquake Mortar:3

I hope its being put to good use, i have no clue for who i doing this.

Geist:

So let me get this right you guys think the Dreadquake is ok to piss poor?

Grimbold Blackhammer:

I think it’s trash but I wouldn’t doubt there are some who think it is quite good.

wisper:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet: 3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan: 4

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer: 3

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk: 4

Hobgoblin Khan: 4

Bale Taurus: 3

Great Taurus: 4

Lammasu:2

Giant Wolf (CD):3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard:3

Hobgoblin Cutthroats:3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn:1

Bull Centaur Renders:2

K’daii Fireborn:3

Iron Daemon:3

Magma Cannon:3

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher:3

K’daii Destroyer:5

Hellcannon (CD):4

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders:2

Chaos Seige Giant:2

Dreadquake Mortar: 3

Singleton Mosby:

Lord:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet: 3

Hero:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan: 4

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer: 4

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk: 4

Hobgoblin Khan: 3

Mount:

Bale Taurus: 2

Great Taurus: 2

Lammasu: 2

Giant Wolf (CD): 3

Core:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard: 3

Hobgoblin Cutthroats: 3

Special:

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn: 2

Bull Centaur Renders: 3

K’daii Fireborn: 2

Iron Daemon: 3

Magma Cannon: 4

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher: 5

Rare:

K’daii Destroyer: 5

Hellcannon (CD): 4

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders: 3

Chaos Seige Giant: 2

Dreadquake Mortar: 3

Twisted Dwarf:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet:4

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan:3

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer:3

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk:3

Hobgoblin Khan:3

Bale Taurus:3

Great Taurus:3

Lammasu:2

Giant Wolf (CD):3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard:3

Hobgoblin Cutthroats:3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn:2

Bull Centaur Renders:3

K’daii Fireborn:3

Iron Daemon:3

Magma Cannon:5

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher:5

K’daii Destroyer:5

Hellcannon (CD):5

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders:3

Chaos Seige Giant:2

Dreadquake Mortar:3

Thorne:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet: 2

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan: 3

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer: 5

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk: 3

Hobgoblin Khan: 4

Bale Taurus: 3

Great Taurus: 3

Lammasu: 5

Giant Wolf (CD): 4

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard: 2

Hobgoblin Cutthroats: 3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn: 1

Bull Centaur Renders: 2

K’daii Fireborn: 3

Iron Daemon: 4

Magma Cannon: 5

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher: 4

K’daii Destroyer: 3

Hellcannon (CD): 5

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders: 4

Chaos Seige Giant: 1

Dreadquake Mortar: 2

Da Crusha:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet:4
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan:4
Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer:4
Bull Centaur Taur’ruk:2
Hobgoblin Khan:3
Bale Taurus:4
Great Taurus:4
Lammasu:2
Giant Wolf (CD):3
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard:3
Hobgoblin Cutthroats:3
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn:1
Bull Centaur Renders:2
K’daii Fireborn:2
Iron Daemon:3
Magma Cannon:5
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher:4
K’daii Destroyer:5
Hellcannon (CD):5
Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders:3
Chaos Seige Giant:2
Dreadquake Mortar:4

I noticed its a bit difficult to rank them accurately because while a choice maybe ok, it maybe terrible compared to a better choice in the list which will make us predisposed to give one a good score and the other a terrible score. I had this feeling particluarly for the hellcannon and dreadquake. to me, the hellcannon is a hands down better option, but if the hellcannon wasn’t an option the dreadquake wouldn’t be a bad choice.

also If I could give +.5s to some of theses I would.

richard barby:

Please post your scores by replying to this post

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet:3
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan:3
Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer:2
Bull Centaur Taur'ruk:3
Hobgoblin Khan:3
Bale Taurus:4
Great Taurus:
Lammasu:
Giant Wolf (CD):
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard:2
Hobgoblin Cutthroats:3
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn:2
Bull Centaur Renders:3
K'daii Fireborn:2
Iron Daemon:1
Magma Cannon:4
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher:3
K'daii Destroyer:4
Hellcannon (CD):3
Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders:3
Chaos Seige Giant:3
Dreadquake Mortar:2

sgu97bjd

Galladorn:

Please post your scores by replying to this post



Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet:3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan:3

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer:2

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk:3

Hobgoblin Khan:3

Bale Taurus:3

Great Taurus:3

Lammasu:3

Giant Wolf (CD):3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard:2

Hobgoblin Cutthroats:3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn:2

Bull Centaur Renders:3

K’daii Fireborn:3

Iron Daemon:2

Magma Cannon:4

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher:3

K’daii Destroyer:4

Hellcannon (CD):3

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders:2

Chaos Seige Giant:2

Dreadquake Mortar:1

Sleboda:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet: 4
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan: 4
Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer: 3
Bull Centaur Taur’ruk: 3
Hobgoblin Khan: 3
Bale Taurus: 4
Great Taurus: 4
Lammasu: 3
Giant Wolf (CD): 3
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard: 2
Hobgoblin Cutthroats: 3
Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn: 2
Bull Centaur Renders: 3
K’daii Fireborn: 3
Iron Daemon: 3
Magma Cannon: 5
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher: 5
K’daii Destroyer: 5
Hellcannon (CD): 4
Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders: 3
Chaos Seige Giant: 3
Dreadquake Mortar: 4

Ceann Fine:

Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer Prophet:3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Castellan:3

Chaos Dwarf Deamonsmith Sorcerer:4

Bull Centaur Taur’ruk:3

Hobgoblin Khan:5

Bale Taurus:4

Great Taurus:2

Lammasu:2

Giant Wolf (CD):5

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard:3/4

Hobgoblin Cutthroats:3

Chaos Dwarf Infernal Ironsworn:1

Bull Centaur Renders:3/4

K’daii Fireborn:1

Iron Daemon:2

Magma Cannon:4

Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher:3

K’daii Destroyer:4

Hellcannon (CD):4

Hobgoblin Wolf Raiders:3

Chaos Seige Giant:1

Dreadquake Mortar:3