fierymidgets:
I have to admit my only army is warriors of chaos but I’m thinking about transferring to Chaos Dwarfs. This list will start the transition. Let me know what you think or if I’m messing up any rules.
2000 pts maybe a lil over
Lord
tz sorc lord lvl 4 talisman of perserverance, additional spell
Heroes
castellan gw
castellan bsb gw
Demonsmith
Core
17 warriors champ hb khorn shield 6X3 tz sorc, and castellan in the unit
17 warriors champ hb khorn shield 6x3 castellan bsb, demonsmith in this one
Special
6 knights khorn
Rare
magnum cannon
2x death shrieker
Here is the idea. Putting the Castellans in the 2 blocks of warriors making them stubborn so almost a anvil/hammer in one. The bsb block will hold the center of the field while the artillery lays waste to the enemy. The knights will be on one flank and the other block on the other. Not rushing into battle but letting the artillery do some work and then charging in to finish them in the end. The demonsmith will allow me to reroll my artillery rolls on one warmachine. The tz lord will go in the block on the flank. I was thinking about putting him in a bunker instead ,but I like this way better. Yea I know my maruader block is a glaringly not coming to the party ,but I think it’ll be ok.
gIL^:
Your Putting a CD Hero in a unit of Chaos Warriors? I don’t think that’s legal.
Also wrong subforum buddy.
fierymidgets:
Where does it say that you cant put a castellan in a warriors unit? If it is allowed what do you think of the list? If its not what would you change? This list is a very rough draft so all input is welcome.
Nicodemus:
Tamurkhan: The Throne of Chaos book does give rules for using Chaos Dwarf units in WoC armies (p. 186)
Sorcerer-Prophets, Daemonsmiths & Castellans can be purchased as part of a WoC character allowance (Lord/Hero) as long as there is at least one other non-character Chaos Dwarf unit in the army as well - and the non-character CD unit could be a warmachine. None of the CD characters, however, may be the WoC army’s general.
For sure your rare choices cover you as far as non-character Chaos Dwarf units. So unless I’m missed something else, I think your list is ‘legal’ as far as the optional rules for including CD in WoC armies go. Looks like an interesting list… the spot you’ll run into some bother with is having the Castellans join your other units. That’s not allowed, as per the Contempt special rules (Tamurkhan p.187) for the Castellans. They’re only allowed to join other units that also have Contempt.
~N
fierymidgets:
Thank you Nicodemus. I knew I was missing something ,but now I’m even happier with the list.
New revised list.
2000 pts maybe a lil over
Lord
tz sorc lord lvl 4 talisman of perserverance, disc, additional spell (maybe)
Heroes
castellan gw In the chaos dwarves block
Demonsmith one on either side of the Chaos dwarves anvil block next to a war machine
Demonsmith one on the other side of the block next to a war machine
Core
17 warriors champ hb khorn shield 6X3 tz sorc, and castellan in the unit
17 warriors champ hb khorn shield 6x3 castellan bsb, demonsmith in this one
Special
20 or as many as I can fit Chaos Dwarves shield/hw (I was and I guess I still am thinking about fireglaives here)
Rare
magnum cannon (trying to decide between two cannons or two rocket teams)
2x death shrieker
My objective is to win or at least compete in each phase except movement which I will forfeit against most opponents. Opinions?
Nicodemus:
Core
17 warriors champ hb khorn shield 6X3 tz sorc, and castellan in the unit
17 warriors champ hb khorn shield 6x3 castellan bsb, demonsmith in this one
fierymidgets
Still have the problem that the Castellans and Daemonsmiths can't go into your Warrior units. Chaos Dwarf Infernal Guard (and the like) have the special rule Comtempt, so they could go into such a unit, were you to take one. Unfortunately, at present your list would have them each just floating around individually and unable to join any of your units.
Grimbold Blackhammer:
The list is illegal by my reconning. The only time you can have a Chaos Dwarf character (other than a Hobgoblin Khan) in a Warriros of Chaos army is when the Warriors of Chaos army is lead by a Chaos Lord. I don’t think that part was well-thought out at all. Or perhaps they only wanted it to happen in 3000ish+ point games or larger but either way…
Grimbold Blackhammer
fierymidgets:
I made a critical copy and paste mistake. No characters in the warriors. Will be going over to my friends house and get my warriors book back. I will finalize this list then.
Eddandme:
I don’t know about this contempt rule but i think the footprint is also an issue as the castelan is on a 20mm and chaos warriors on 25mm. I think when footprints match they should be able to join unless there is a rule like contempt, such as with a cavalry base covers 2 25mm bases at least i think it was allowed with 7th edition.
Nicodemus:
I don't know about this contempt rule but i think the footprint is also an issue as the castelan is on a 20mm and chaos warriors on 25mm. I think when footprints match they should be able to join unless there is a rule like contempt, such as with a cavalry base covers 2 25mm bases at least i think it was allowed with 7th edition.
Eddandme
The 8th ED rule book, on p98 gives rules for joining units when models have different sized bases. In this case a 20mm base size Chaos Dwarf character
could normally join a units of Chaos Warriors on 25mm bases - it's just that the Contempt rule superscedes the rules for joining a unit.
~N