Gar Shadowfame:
Model =/= model, and never will. original cd is a collectible, it could be an investment, or simply someone might want " original". Stuff dot become less dishonest just because u seem to not lose on quality/price.
Fequiil:
why don’t you guys first buy all the stuff from her you can, and then report, because then you’ll have:
1: allot of recasts
2: no money spend.
The Brain:
You really should not report anyone unless you know for sure that the model is a recast. Just because the metal is a different color means nothing. I have lots of old models and they do sometimes change color over time. I have also seen models on the shelf at GW that were different colors, it all depends on what the blend was on casting day, how much oxygen they have been exposed to, how much sun has hit them, any number of reasons. As for the model being a bit off that is not proof either. I have seen GW put plenty of miscasts out for sale over the years. As much as the snobs around here claim to be about honesty it is just as bad to ruin someone�?Ts reputation without proof. If you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the models are recasts you should keep your mouth shut. Besides the biggest issue here is ebay has always been buyer beware. If someone is upset about the getting a miscast model then it is their own fault, it is not like they cannot see what they are bidding on. If you paid for it then that is your problem. As for inflated prices, that is how free market economics work. As long as people are willing to pay for it then you can charge that price. Once people are no longer willing to pay then the price needs to be adjusted. This might be a little hard for you socialists out there to understand, but that is how the real world works. If you can�?Tt afford the models then play another army that is not so rare.
Anonymouse:
You got a point there (about the reputation as well as the ways colours can change).
However, I’d appreciate it if you’d be so kind not to get this topic into a political discussion. I know socialism does not have the same ring to it in the States as it does in other parts of the world, but there’s no need to use it in a denigrating way when a discussion is about fair price/possible falsification. Thank you in advance.
Just my 2 cents.
cornixt:
Buyer beware is one thing, people ripping each other off is another. If you paid for a GW model, you should get a GW model. If you can’t tell the difference then there isn’t much you can do. I don’t think any completely unrelated mention of socialism even deserves a response.
The Brain:
Buyer beware is one thing, people ripping each other off is another. If you paid for a GW model, you should get a GW model. If you can't tell the difference then there isn't much you can do. I don't think any completely unrelated mention of socialism even deserves a response.No one is getting ripped off if they get the model they want and they were willing to pay the price. If you don't want it don't buy it.
cornixt
Zuh-Khinie:
Hmmm… that’s a bit harsh imo.
I think there have been loads of people who bid for a model, but just didn’t receive what they thought they were bidding for…
If I pay good money for a chaos dwarf, and it turns out to be a cheap recast, I’d be less than happy myself.
Pictures on ebay tend not to be as detailed as one would wish.
On the other hand, if it was a perfect recast, then I just wouldn’t care 
Nicodemus:
I just purchased several boxes of new metal Dwarf slayer models direct from GW, and side-by-side comparing them there was a lot of variation in the colour of the metal as well as its sheen. In addition to weathering and environmental/storage conditions small changes in alloy composition will affect appearance, as well as things like how much release agent is used in the mold (although I could be wrong on how GW does it, but most manufacturers use a mold release agent that needs to be washed off of metal models).
@The Brain: While I don’t personally take offence to the name calling it’s not necessary and it’s only going to serve to irk other members who are as fee to post here as yourself. I have to say that I don’t agree with the assertion that this form has a lot of people who love to have something to complain about, and honestly I think there are very few people who need to get over themselves - most of them have left already ;P :cheers I think this is an amazing community of creative, friendly, industrious and supportive members, one I’m very happy to be a part of.Buyer beware is one thing, people ripping each other off is another. If you paid for a GW model, you should get a GW model. If you can’t tell the difference then there isn’t much you can do. I don’t think any completely unrelated mention of socialism even deserves a response.No one is getting ripped off if they get the model they want and they were willing to pay the price. If you don’t want it don’t buy it.
cornixt
The Brain
I agree with much of what The Brain is saying - buyer beware, current pricing & economics, etc. It is, however, often very hard to tell the quality of a model from eBay pictures - particularly if the models have been primed or painted so without having seen the specific images it’s not necessarily the buyers fault at all. Everyone should also please remember that in this case getting “the model they want” had the added assumption that it is an original. Personally I’m not interested in purchasing recast models. It’s illegal to make 'em and it’s illegal to sell 'em. End of story. The issue of buyer beware in this case only loosely applies as there are sellers out there who are selling illegal recasts on eBay and doing it by hoodwinking buyers into thinking it’s an original.
I agree with The Brain that in all likelihood it probably is an original. If there is no loss in fine detail on the models and the tab on the base of the model is also clearly legible as being a GW model then there isn’t a leg to stand on in making a complaint. If you’re really brave send me a piece of the tab on the bottom of one of the models and I can check its composition to see if it matches the metal from that same era of CDs… but really that’s a lot of work for one eBay auction.
~N
cornixt:
You are getting ripped off if you are made to believe you are buying a GW model and get an illegal copy. The price has nothing to do with it.Buyer beware is one thing, people ripping each other off is another. If you paid for a GW model, you should get a GW model. If you can't tell the difference then there isn't much you can do. I don't think any completely unrelated mention of socialism even deserves a response.No one is getting ripped off if they get the model they want and they were willing to pay the price.
cornixt
The Brain
AGPO:
It depends what you are buying for. Some people, rather than collecting a gaming army, collect miniatures out of a desire to have a full collection, in the same way you might with trading cards or comics. For these people, a re-cast does not have the same collectors value as an original, and therefore they are being ripped off. It’s fraud and even the most free market large economies have rules against that. Pretty much every economist also agrees you need to enforce intellectual property laws in order for a market economy to grow and to encourage development.
If you want to discover whether a model is a fraud, I suggest you contact GW legal. When not mollesting fan sites these guys have an anti-counterfitting unit which should be able to answer your questions. If they do think your model is a fake they will contact SWSNBN and ask her where she gets all the incredibly rare, unpacketed OOP minis she seems to have. If she can’t justify it they will probably press charges, you can make your complaint to ebay and get your money back. If not then you can rest assured you have not unfairly damaged the tattered remains of her reputation.
Baggronor:
No one is getting ripped off if they get the model they want and they were willing to pay the price.Not true, in the event of a recast whoever created the original figure is getting ripped off, his profit is going to the recaster. The buyer knowing or not knowing the risks of ebay is beside the point, someone is selling recasts, which is illegal and for a good reason. Its up to the OP to decide whether or not its worth pursuing, but the principle still stands.
Gar Shadowfame:
Ha ha, “socialism” says guy whos country finally decided to enforce health care, after 150 years since obligatory insurance was invented.
If it is free market then under your system of values its is perfectly fine to exploit the fact that model is a bit odd.
As for the “proof”, could you post us picture of the model in question, and try to compare the detatails of the models to those of other. Recasts usually have flattened shapes.
Willmark:
Lets direct this one back on topic and keep it civil guys.
Gar Shadowfame:
will do
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The Brain:
Not true, in the event of a recast whoever created the original figure is getting ripped off, his profit is going to the recaster.This is not true in the case of GW and many of their older models. GW refuses to produce the older models people want so if it is recast then GW has not suffered any loss. If someone was re-casting a model that was currently in production and selling it GW could show that they were out money but otherwise where have they lost anything. Depending on the laws of the country that the recasting took place GW might have a hard time making a case if it could not prove how it was harmed by the re-casters actions.
Baggronor
The Brain:
Ha ha, "socialism" says guy whos country finally decided to enforce health care, after 150 years since obligatory insurance was invented.For your information the United States has a constitution that guarantees certain inalienable rights. Nowhere in that hallowed document is there a right for good for nothing free loaders to receive free healthcare. In our country people are expected to work for a living and not be pampered by their government. Also the healthcare plan that was just passed does not give universal healthcare, it only requires people to have insurance and it will probably not survive challenge in the Supreme Court. This is not the first time I have had to correct you on your misunderstanding of world events. Once again people should not talk about thing that they don�?Tt understand.
Gar Shadowfame
Baggronor:
If someone was re-casting a model that was currently in production and selling it GW could show that they were out money but otherwise where have they lost anything.Perhaps they haven't directly lost profit in this case, but regardless, its still their IP and re-casting it for sale is still illegal. The fact that its OOP is beside the point.
Bassman:
Could some mods delete inappropriate comments or stop people chatting about political stuff? I’d be happy to contribute the discussion about socialism and USA but I do not really think this is the appropriate place. I do not think you need a lot of brain to understand this, socialist or not…
Back to topic: If I buy on ebay I want to know if it is arecast or an original piece. It’s up me to me to pay 100$ for a recast or 1 cent for an original one. Could be stupid but I want the right to know what I’m going to buy.
I would feel frauded if I bought on ebay something it’s not what I was looking for and what was clearly stated by the seller.
Baggronor made a good point to. Even tought some minis are oop and sculptors should not be really harsh against people that recast models they are not longer selling… but just my two cents 
The Brain:
If someone was re-casting a model that was currently in production and selling it GW could show that they were out money but otherwise where have they lost anything.Perhaps they haven't directly lost profit in this case, but regardless, its still their IP and re-casting it for sale is still illegal. The fact that its OOP is beside the point.
Baggronor
Baggronor:
This issue is a lot more complicated then you guys think.In terms of proving something in court, yes, it may well be complicated and not necessarily worthwhile at all. In terms of 'Is it some scummer making money out of someone else's IP', its really not complicated at all. Just because it can be got away with, doesn't make it ok.