For some time now, I have been convinced that Legacy players are second-class players. Apart from various restrictions in tournaments (not every tournament but more and more) regadring models You can use, Arcane Journal lists is simply better. Recently I followed a tournament for 150+ people in Poland. Only 3 Legacy armies were playing (the tournament was dominated by Khemri, WoC and Orcs).
I feel less and less the need to devote time, hobby energy and money to this game. I understand that legacy armies were supposed to be a way to encourage people to buy one of the actual armies, but I am absolutely not interested in it.
It is hard for me to imagine that GW will get back to Chaos Dwarfs and make a plastic army for them too. It is always better to sell new arm than to resurrect an old one.
Personally I don’t feel this way about it. I don’t participate in my local scene but only play with my mate. We’re both playing multiple armies (some core, some legacy) and power levels always varied between editions. We rarely play maxed out lists anyway, so I’ll continue to enjoy playing Chaos Dwarfs as well.
Of course I understand where you’re coming from.
Chaos Dwarfs have never been fully supported by GW, but that was part of the charm. You’re always the underdog with the rules, but have free range in creativity to build up your army.
There are multiple things at play here. One is the cult of the new - people just bought new armies and were motivated to get them completed to play them in a tournament for the first time.
The second is competition - competitive players probably perceive the non-legacy armies as being stronger, and want to play in every type of tournament. GW said that legacy armies wouldn’t be allowed at their own tournaments so those who invested in a competitive army could not take a legacy army to those tournaments. So the perception of legacy armies caused more bias against them.
Final is the local scene. Some are wildly different to others. I used to play at a GW where more than half of the players had Dark Elf armies. It was bizarre.
I am not sure if that is the case. First GW organize like 0% events outside of UK. This means Legacy not being allowed in events is not the main factor. I would say miniature availability can be a reason but from what I have seen guys who even own legacy armies are painting Khemri or WoC atm so… Yeah.
Local scenes - I agree. Especially with so many local house rules “fixing” the game.
We play a league with a mix of competetive players and non competetive players but we do now know who we play the next round so lists stay sharp. Not much room to experiment when You can play spawn of daemons, cannon spam etc.
It says 23 February on it, so only a month old of compiling. Not sure how far back the games played are going, but TOW hasn’t been out for that long, probably just the last year.
OK, anyway I was just trying to offer another perspective from local players in Sweden. But as stated I havent played a game or read the rules, so just running around in the dark here…
Chaos Dwarfs are by no means a bad place in terms of competitiveness. I’ve been playing them exclusively, with what would not be considered totally juiced up lists, and I’m in the upper 10-20% of tournament players nationally here in Denmark. A few other guys that play Chaos Dwarfs are even higher, but they also play other factions, and play much better than I do.
The meta is one thing, knowing it, and having it help inform your list building to counter it, is another. Anyone can just blindly follow it and hope to get lucky matchups.
And also. It’s a gentleman’s game! What do you gain by winning, truly? Not one damn thing! You benefit from playing! It’s fun (hopefully)!
I kinda like it actually, there’s no fear of radical change to the list or what’s good, no need to “update” things if new journals or models come out. And you feel like a rebel playing a legacy army lol.
I did take part in that. Sure. Still GW cares for share holders not community lol
I do like the argument they will not change the army. Sure some things could be better (and they did NERF Iron deamon before) but list is still fun even with no internal balance.
