In this thread you can post and discuss army lists for Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition using the Chaos Dwarfs army list from Mathias Eliasson’s Warhammer Armies Project.
(This is a wiki post, so we can have a common table of contents in this first post. )
So. Ive painted up a lot of blunderbuss chaos dwarves now, i have more to paint too.
The rules are d3 s3 shots move or fire 12" range. To me im thinking goblin short bows are probably better with volley fire. 12" range means id probably only get to fire once in a game before they are charged.
I assume only 2 ranks get to shoot as well. They are seeming pretty terrible to me. Hopefully im wrong because they look great!
Crossbows seem to be the way to go instead or use them as thise other 18"guns by the masked guys.
Anyone else any thoughts on this?
I have never played my cds yet btw.
Well, yes and no.
Yes, longer range and volley fire means you can dish out more shots, that’s true. But once you’re in the 12" range of the Blunderbusses, this changes dramatically. Blunderbusses don’t get a -1 to hit modifier for their multiple shots D3, so that’s just a bonus. And they are quick to fire and also don’t get a -1 to hit modifier for stand and shoot. Quick to fire is important here, cause it means you can make a stand and shoot reaction even if your opponent is only 1" away. So you’re likely to get two rounds of shooting, the first when your opponent moves into charge distance, the second is stand and shoot. With 20 Devastators in two ranks that’s up to 60 shots hitting on a 5+ (probably long range, but rejoice if your enemy fails his charge or so and moves within 6") on a stand and shoot, so 20 hits. If you want 20 hits by Hobgoblin Archers in a stand and shoot, you need 100 Archers (in ranks with 10 models each and the opponent within 12", otherwise you need 120…). Sure, with Multiple shots you can also end up with only 20 shots, but your opponent will still think twice before charging the unit. They are great to hold a flank and basically erect kill-zone 12" around them.
Plus, and that is also huge, they are much tougher, fight better and don’t run as easily as Hobgoblins (or succumb to animosity)
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One thing I’ve noticed while perusing the WAP army lists is that the Chaos Dwarf warrior hero, the despot, seems to be the only warrior hero who doesn’t have a mount or chariot option available. If there are other armies whose warrior heroes can’t ride a mount, then they’d be very few. Even the regular Dwarf army allows the warrior hero (Thane) to mount an Oath Stone; it may not increase movement, but then again, neither does a palanquin.
This seems to have started with the 6th edition, if I’m not mistaken. The 5th edition Chaos Dwarf army book allows the warrior hero (simply called “Chaos Dward Hero”) to ride a monster from the monsters list, which itself was much more expansive than later editions. With the Ravening Horde 6th edition book in 2000, the option seems to have disappeared.
But what gives? I confess that this is more of a vanity thing for me, but why can’t a chorf hero ride a palanquin carried by various slaves? Or a chariot pulled by some mutant beast? Or even just a rodeo bull? A simple non-flying mount doesn’t seem too overpowered, especially considering how much the Chaos Dwarf warrior hero was nerfed in terms of point value (from 104 in 5th and 105 in Tamurkhan to 65 in WAP; compare to the Wargor at 85, Vampire heroes hovering around 100, and Chaos hero at 105 in WAP, and all of them can use mounts). Our hero needs a sweet ride!
A boar or pony would be lovely since i have the models. We would then of course need a unit of boar/pony cd knights too. …i accidently used wap9 to base my army around. Wap 8 is nearly the same but no cav sized centaurs! All my centaurs are cav sized. 9th has both the large and the cav versions.
All work and no play makes jack a dull boy…haha
I’ve not played WAP 8th but in 9th he can ride a taurus or a lamassu. No idea why he loses out in 8th tbh.
That’s the overlord though, who’s the Chaos Dwarf lord. A fiery flying monster is commensurate with such an exalted position.
My main question is about the hero tier though, the despot (WAP), castellan (Tamurkhan), or Chaos Dwarf Hero (Ravening Hordes). The warrior hero level for other armies all seem to have mount and chariot options, but our guy doesn’t. This is discrimination.
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Valid poont, I suppose. Hes basically the only non-special character hero in the army list that doesn’t have a mount option.
Excluding the taur’ruk, technically, though he’s already cavalry.
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