Kera foehunter:
lol usa and russia dwarfs just don’t give them nukes
Tarrakk Blackhand:
Why not? At least they were good with their nukes. I’m not sure about the countries that have them now though.
Anyway, the CD’s have rockets though.
Kera foehunter:
well the dwarf have air power !!
Swissdictator:
Blackhand: SSSHHHHHH! Or I’ll do Soviet Squats for 40k!
Ancient History:
But isn't the Taurus just a large bull with wings? I don't see how the Cd's could think that they started out as CD's.Well, you've got half-bovine Bull Centaurs, and the Lammasu is essentially a Great Taurus with the head of a Chaos Dwarf, and Hashut is the Father of Darkness...
Tarrakk Blackhand
Kera foehunter:
and i thought i had a drinking problem ???
holy cows!!oop holy bulls
Tarrakk Blackhand:
Blackhand: SSSHHHHHH! Or I'll do Soviet Squats for 40k!Why not? I made Soviet Space Marines. Painted them red and even went as far as to get a Russian/English dictionary and paint what each guy was on his leg. For instance, Demolition crew.
Swiss
Kera foehunter:
now that would be cool mr t.
Groznit Goregut:
I appreciate all the answers everyone. It helps give me a better idea about Chaos Dwarfs. I really like the domination idea.
If GW (or anyone else) were looking for a good reason to have Chaos Dwarf forces out in the world, it could always be about acquiring unusual items or artifacts. Chaos Dwarfs have unusual and unexpected wants/desires. The Warriors of Chaos book talks about trading a major magic item for a picked bloodthirster head. This sets up the idea that Chaos Dwarf sorcerers have needs for unexpected and unusual things. So, Priests of Hashut could send out their forces to crazy corners of the world to retrieve items of importance for their masters.
It could also be inferred that when Chaos Dwarfs look for the unusual items they need for their nefarious purposes, they might not trade items or slaves. The owner of an item might want something done or accomplished before they will give it over to the Dawi Zharr. An Empire noble might give up an ancestral battle trophy if the Chaos Dwarfs weaken his neighbor to strengthen his bid to expand his lands to include a lucrative fishing resource. The Vampire Count would relinquish ancient skulls of long dead nobles if the Dawi Zharr ran off a tribe of orcs that recently migrated into his lands.
The theme I’m going with for my Fast Attack Chaos Dwarf Army (that is ever so slowly getting built) is one of a “temple guard”. I figure they would be agents of a powerful priest who’s got the temple guard captain as a vassal. They would be considered his arm out into the wider world. Wherever his far-seeing vision sees a need out in the wider world, he sends the Temple of Hashut guard to do his bidding. I think it works especially well since I don’t have an earthshaker in my list, but have two units of bull centaurs. They are suppose to be the chosen and elite in CD society and live at the Temples.
Tarrakk Blackhand:
now that would be cool mr t.Yeah, just have to take pictures.
kera
Groznit Goregut...I like your ideas, but just not too sure a Temple Guard would ever leave the temple unless an invading army gave him no other choice. However, that's just my thought.
Perturabo:
The Warriors of Chaos book talks about trading a major magic item for a picked bloodthirster head. This sets up the idea that Chaos Dwarf sorcerers have needs for unexpected and unusual things. So, Priests of Hashut could send out their forces to crazy corners of the world to retrieve items of importance for their masters.That's interesting. Reading that just caused one of my under-used synapses to fire. If we assume Hashut was associated with Khorne, but was banished or whatever, it could be his spirit behind those big underground doors, unable to escape. I can see the Chaos Dwarves hunting down scattered pieces of his body, hence the Khornate skull, in order to reconstruct it and unleash him upon the world.
Groznit Goregut
Obviously this isn't a theory as to the direction the CD's may end up going in, it just hit me as a reason for the skull trade story, which also brings them into contact with other races across the world. If nothing else it could make a cool story.
Groznit Goregut:
Hi Tarrakk Blackhand. Well, I would think that they would leave enough behind to guard the temple. I figure the whole place would be well fortified. I’m sure that the Temple guards would have many uses besides just guarding the Temple doors. I mean, the bull centaurs live at the Temple and could easily be incorporated into the military force. They are quite impractical, though, for just guard duty.
The way I see Chaos Dwarf society (in my limited and ever changing view) is that these guys are all about structure and about amassing power. Clans work against clans and all jockey for various positions within society. Each position offers privileges and a chance to lord things over your rivals. The privilege to command troops would surely be abused. Yes, the troops under your command are there for a specific purpose, but expect any true Chaos Dwarf to use them beyond their original intent. A captain in charge of a city gate would also probably have a lucrative smuggling business or at least an intelligence gathering component that would keep track of who left when and where. The gate guards would be the muscle used as the gate captain’s personal army. So, he would need to have enough guards to actually guard the gate, but would then also have enough to pursue his personal ambitions in the greater society (and that of his clan’s).
With the idea of a Temple Guard, they would be more than just the people who guard the temple. They would be a small army that did the biddings of those in control of the Temple. The idea would be that this force would be billeted in the Temple and be there to guard it whenever it was not on a mission. It would also be the force for the Temple in the wider world. The priests of Hashut would have needs to affect things in the wider world. The King would control the entirety of Chaos Dwarf forces. Each clan would have household guards and also the forces of those of their clan that have been elevated to a position that to command troops. If each Temple of Hashut didn’t have it’s own muscle, it would be considered weak and rely upon manipulation of other forces to accomplish what it wanted. I’m sure that there are many issues that the entire Temple would want to act as one on (or at least majority). These are matters that benefit the Temple more so than any other group. The Temple would require it’s own forces to act on it’s behalf. Each component of Chaos Dwarf society has it’s own aims and ambitions that it must see to with it’s own resources.
So, with such a force at it’s disposal, the Temple can be considered a powerful force. Even within the Temple, there are various factions that would vie for control. Whoever is the Captain of the Temple Guard could become an influential person as they would command the considerable force. Surely, it wouldn’t take long for such a person to find a patron to offer his allegiance with. The Temple Guard would guard the Temple, become the arm of the Temple in the wider world, and also become the personal army of whoever is the patron of the captain in charge of the Temple Guard.
Tarrakk Blackhand:
@ Perturabo ~ Or could it be that Hashut is trying to reconstruct…HIS MATE?
@ Groznit Goregut ~ Interesting theory, but to me, it seems much like the Tomb Kings mentality. Try and prove who’s the better king by warring on your fellow man.
To me, the CD’s seem more unified in their goal to enslave the world than to underhand their own. just the way I look at it though.
Perturabo:
@ Perturabo ~ Or could it be that Hashut is trying to reconstruct.....HIS MATE?Even scarier. Hashette maybe? :)
Tarrakk Blackhand
Groznit Goregut:
There could be 101 reasons for the Bloodthirster head. I’m not sure if I like the idea that Hashut is just a servant of Khorne that rebelled. I’d rather see Hashut as a god in his own right. Also, wasn’t Hashut freed from his prison already? That’s when the dwarfs started to worship Hashut. What ever happened to him, anyway? Did he disappear into the Warp? Or is he still living in a cave?
Since CD are “demon smiths”, there could be a lot of reasons why they would want part of a major demon, especially it’s head. Who knows what esoteric powers it might have if used in the right way, as well?
Tarrakk Blackhand:
I’ll agree that Hashut should be his own God. I don’t think there’s anything in the old fluff to say otherwise, but i’ll have to read up on it.
Kera foehunter:
so what wrong with Hashetts??
Tarrakk Blackhand:
Nothing, but I think she needs a better name.
cornixt:
To avoid the whole discussion: Hashut is only ever referred to as a god, and there is no fluff to suggest that he is subservient to another god like a regular daemon would be.
Tarrakk Blackhand:
in fact, from what I am reading, Hashut, The Father of Darkness. The god is the embodiment of the city, it’s deity and it’s master.