[Archive] Daemons of Hashut army ideas:

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CheTralfara:

Ok buddies, I’d like your opinions on this, cuz I’m having trouble deciding…

I am making an army of Daemons of Hashut, on the side… (a small force to ally with my CDs)  They will be using Daemons of Chaos rules (of any god), and will work as proxies/count-as for the other daemons in the DOC book…

I’m posting this for your ideas!!!
These are the thoughts I have so far:

CORE

Daemon botz similiar to those pink horror proxies I showed in that “name the bitz thread”… using necromunda mechanical pit slave arms, and daemon bound bodies/faces.  Could count as any Core Daemon… probably best as Daemonettes for 2 attacks each. Or could be plaguebearers for their durability (since they are thick and metal).

Bloodletter sized Minotaurs, using some mechanical appendages, and faces of a bull. Kinda like gor/ungors but with a bull’s head. And not gigantic like a minotaur…  These could count as Bloodletters.

Flaming beasts could be Pink Horrors?? maybe use Ghoul bodies, gor heads (with lots of horns), and sculpt LOTS and LOTS of Greenstuff flames all over their bodies… to the point where it’s like they are a walking fireball… engulfed completely in flames… (except their bestial face sticking out).

SPECIAL

Daemon botz made from Epic-scale range “Killa Kans” and “Deff Dreads” (the tiny tiny ones), mounted as Swarms on 40x40mm bases. These will count as Nurglings.

Flame blasting daemon botz… possibly based off the hoofed mechanical tau contraptions…   Flame blasting appendages could look like a blunderbuss…

… can’t think of what to replace Fleshhounds or Screamers with… might have to pass on them?

RARE

Juggernauts with mechanical Bull head replacements (using a minotaur head, iron jaw gob, and the mechanical horns from the black orc standard). Will count as juggernaut cavalry (the name escapes me… Bloodriders?). Possibly could use the Reaper iron bulls thingies with the stupid looking hoofs.

Minotaurs with mechanical appendages taken from Killa Kans and Deff Dreads… count as Beasts of Nurgle or Fiends of Slaanesh.

Deff Dreads & Killa Kans with spawn bitz… count as Beasts of Nurgle or Fiends of Slaanesh.

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warh:

cool idea!

bulls as flesh hounds

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Baggronor:

Big, angry Bull-god Daemon as a Bloodthirster. Maybe try a Lammassu head swap with a Bloodthirster or something of that nature? Could look really angry :cheers

Obviously Heralds riding Juggernauts too :slight_smile:

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Maul:

It is a sweet idea.

You could make nurglings by using the evil little dolls that some folks have been playing with (I think Clam and warh have worked with them).

A minotaur could also make a good herald or spawn equivalent model. You could paint them like stone statues and have their eyes or face alive.

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Swissdictator:

I’ll have to sit down and this this one over. If done right it could be very Chaos Dwarfy and allow me to run a Demon List without feeling as dirty. Though I’d probably stick myself to mono-god. I will only ever play Demons if I only use one God’s stuff.

I’m thinking Khorne would be fitting rules wise, though I could see Nurgle. The nice thing is you could switch a lot of it out as desired so you could not be restricted to one god rules wise.

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warh:

centaur deamons as seekers:idea

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Grimstonefire:

Write a competitive list first with the things you want to include.

I’d stick mainly to Khorne and Tzeentch, possibly using Seekers of Slaanesh as daemonic bull centaurs as warh said. A natural choice

Flamers and Bloodcrushers for rare imo.

If you have the points I’d go for a bloodthirster.

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Hazkar:

if done right this could be a cool army that brings peoples attention to hashut

maybe some lava type bulls with flames(like the bull in “the last unicorn”)counting as juggernauts

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Baggronor:

Write a competitive list first
Is it even possible to write a non-competitive list with Daemons? :)
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Swissdictator:

Write a competitive list first
Is it even possible to write a non-competitive list with Daemons? :)


Baggronor
Sure 3 units of 10 horrors. LOTS of Nurglings. Daemon prince with no upgrades.

I'd run Bull Centaurs more as hounds, as I seem them as more fighty... and I could justify the MR as a blessing ofHashut/the sorcs at the temples/ceremonial armor. I just don't see them being speedy fast cav. Then that just might be me!

I really think it could be done with a pure Khorne list, but again this is my personal taste and opinion. I agree with Grim on not so much Slaanesh or Nurgle.
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wallacer:

Instead of Screamers you could convert some Chaos-Dwarfy gyrocopters.

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Swissdictator:

Instead of Screamers you could convert some Chaos-Dwarfy gyrocopters.

wallacer
Not a bad idea actually, that'd also look really cool! Plus I like the playstyle aspect.

For Nurglings perhaps some minibots unleashed to wreak havoc?
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Khan!:

Why a “daemons of Hashut” list specifically? Could the daemons list maybe be used just as a “counts-as” Chaos Dwarf army?

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Swissdictator:

The only problem I could see is people might think you’re trying to power game by taking the best choices from different gods and mixing them, and trying to hide it. Regardless of how true or not that may be.

So you’d have to be careful.

Of course you could always give Bloodletters, a Bloodthirster/GUO, and Bloodcrushers curly beards! It would be clear what is what,and be more chaos dwarfy.

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Hazkar:

i dont think so

in wd they said every god has strong sides and weaknesses,the key to win is to mix the units

so i dont see any problems by picking the units you like

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Grimstonefire:

Write a competitive list first
Is it even possible to write a non-competitive list with Daemons? :)


Baggronor
Lol.  I did think that afterwards.  I originally typed competitive and balanced list...  But I thought I'd leave it just as competitive.  ;)

In my limited experience playing against daemons there are a few builds that struggle.  The MSU of nurgle for instance.

A Bloodthirster with a beard! Oh that is soo tempting...
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Swissdictator:

i dont think so
in wd they said every god has strong sides and weaknesses,the key to win is to mix the units
so i dont see any problems by picking the units you like

Hazkar
Might be a regional attitude. However around here it is seen as mixing Gods is powergaming...

I can think of some good builds for most of the gods, except perhaps tzeentch. Even then I might be able to. I don't honestly trust White Dwarf for any tactics advice, at all.

I strongly suspect both an all Nurgle List, an all Khorne list, and possibly an all Tzeentch list could not only do quite well, but win most tournaments in the hands of a decent (let alone good) player.

A mixed army (again... maybe this is around my neck of the woods) is often seen as taking all good and no bad.

Blood thirster, Nurgle blocks w/ heralds, Flesh hounds, then A LOT of flamers... and maybe blood crushers *shudder*... and stubborn banner. I faced it once with my VC (which I was GOOD at, and I was playing a tough list too) and I asked myself why I even bothered playing. That style build is beyond frustrating for an opponent as it honestly feels like there is nothing you can do. It left me feeling "What weakness is there? It's all strengths!"

Again, the Midwest seems to be a different mindset. So maybe I'm just a reflection of that Hazkar... please don't take any offense to what I have said.

I don't have a problem with some mixed armies... as long as they actually have a theme beyond just some alliance to justify the random mix they have. I can see Khorne/Nurgle, Nurgle/Slaanesh, and Slaanesh/Tzeentch. That's it for mixing, to be honest. Due to ancient rivalries, and Khorne being so anti-magic I suspect he'd never work if Tzeentch either.

Single God can be good, but it strikes me as needing more thought (not to insult multi-godders here) as most armies have a weakness. So should demons, and the stubborn banner is already one way around what weakness they have.

Meh, just me ranting a bit. Nobody take offense please. I just get annoyed with some of the excuses some demon players I know personally give, to justify taking the best units and leaving me little to no edge/chance... even if I out general them. *sigh* I actually like the Demon army, I just don't like being power gamey... if that makes sense.
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Baggronor:

Blood thirster, Nurgle blocks w/ heralds, Flesh hounds, then A LOT of flamers... and maybe blood crushers *shudder*... and stubborn banner. I faced it once with my VC (which I was GOOD at, and I was playing a tough list too) and I asked myself why I even bothered playing. That style build is beyond frustrating for an opponent as it honestly feels like there is nothing you can do. It left me feeling "What weakness is there? It's all strengths!"
Yup, all strengths. Totally broken. The Bloodthirster is the problem, everything else VCs can deal with. Need to grab him with zombies asap. I played a Bloodthirster list at the UK GT, just missed a draw. My Banshee screamed at his Bloodthirster turn 6 and rolled double 6 :cheers the bugger passed 3 saves though, if he failed 1 more it would have been a draw.
But I honestly can't see how most armies are supposed to deal with that sort of build. Its not like they suffer even when you beat them in combat (a rare occurrence in itself) the BSB re-roll and In(?)stability mean they rarely lose significant amounts of models. Its a shame because the background is so cool, particularly the special characters, yet their rules are just crazy. I saw Skulltaker score a Killing Blow on Kholek Suneater at the GT, wasn't even funny :hat

Personally I hate the 'We're all friends now' attitude that GW has given the Chaos Gods. It put me off WoC and it makes DoC hideously powerful.
A Bloodthirster with a beard!
lol says it all really :)
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Khan!:

It’s a shame that the daemons list has turned out so unbalanced. I kind of think it’s a neat idea to theme the army around the painting and modelling, but keep the various god rules intact (ie ‘counts as’ models). Otherwise mono god lists seem a bit boring.

Why a “daemons of Hashut” list specifically?  Could the daemons list maybe be used just as a “counts-as” Chaos Dwarf army?

Khan!
Here’s what I was thinking about:

Plaguebearers(?) as warriors/immortals

Horrors maybe as units of priests/daemon engineers

Flamers as mobile blunderbuss-type platforms

chariots as tenderizers

juggers as juggers

daemon princes and greater daemons as daemon princes of hashut

screamers, as above, as flying gyrocopter types

nurglings as slaves(?)

bull centaurs as flesh hounds

pleasureseekers as some kind of cyborgy bit? squat bikers anyone?

Anyways, it’s a neat idea, CheTralfara.

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Joshmohr:

Call me crazy… But we could just stick with CD’s