[Archive] Eldar armies?

Grimstonefire:

I’m guessing the problem is probably that GW have changed things over time, and as previous fluff is not outdated by modern stuff it gets confusing some times.

Gar Shadowfame:

yes there is because seer can be stuck on seer path becoming farseer, and warlock is a warlock, as i said it is like claiming that howling banshee could become dire avenger exarch, because it is not said she cant

because warrior-seer is not seer, farseers are not "used to " predict, its not a habit nor enforced on them, seeing is the way of life, all eldar disciplines are ways to live, thy are not 9-5 job.

warlocks dont have precog powers as u claim, farseers foresee incomming wars, and fall of planets not something so simple as where damn land rider is, unless its a key element in tapestry of fate.

warlocks are specialised psyker who use psi powers for combat, they dont forsee the movements of their enemies they channel they power to cruch souls of the week

more over read codex “craftworld eldar” description of ulthwe, “…for the many Eldar there who follow the Path of the Seer and the Path of the Warlock.”

AGPO:

ok guys i know that you might think what is what, but i have new eldar codex and it clearly says "witch Paths", now you have nothing else to get ur knowledge other than wiki (and wiki can be wrote by anyone including me and i can write there that eldar are subtype of pink fairies)

Gar Shadowfame
Actually I'm getting my information from the last three generations of Eldar Codecies, every 40k rule and source book since Rogue Trader, and over a decade of collecting and playing with multiple Eldar armies. I'm growing a little bored of this conversation so I won't bother to take this any further. Sufficed to say that the everybody else is not always entirely ignorant when they disagree with you

Hammerhand:

The Phoenix lords are the founding fathers of the warrior temples, must mention them!!!

Gar Shadowfame:

we are talking about something else,

AGPO if u have last codex then u can check the Ulthwe page urself, in codex:craftworld eldar

i hope being wrong does not bother you, as u might become a sleepy person :- )

AGPO:

No problem with being wrong when I am Gar, if you want I could talk you through coping with it. This deccussion is just going round and round now and serving no real purpose.

Hashut’s Blessing:

Gar Shadowfame, you are being stubborn and ignorant now. people are proving that you are misinterpreting things, AGPO has pointed out his vast experience with Eldar and you still insist that because people are disagreeing with you, they are wrong. I’m not saying that the majority are always right, but it’s usually an indication of the general consensus and this general consensus is based on facts and not misreading the words on the page, which is actually what you are doing and then being rude to people.

I implore that you start to talk with a little more respect to other members as it is tiring to the extreme and can lead to bad blood between people, which we would rathe rnot have on the website.

yes there is because seer can be stuck on seer path becoming farseer, and warlock is a warlock, as i said it is like claiming that howling banshee could become dire avenger exarch, because it is not said she cant

Gar Shadowfame
A warlock is a TYPE of seer. They are a warrior-based facet of the seer path. It is nothing like the comparison that you make. It is the same as saying that a warrior may become an exarch. Farseer is a generic title for one stuck ont he path, you have admitted that. If a warlock (who IS on the path of the seer) gets stuck on the path, they become a farseer (even if it’s a Warlock Farseer or a combat-oriented farseer. Regardless of abilities, a Farseer because it’s a seer exarch and a warlock is a seer).
because warrior-seer is not seer, farseers are not "used to " predict, its not a habit nor enforced on them, seeing is the way of life, all eldar disciplines are ways to live, thy are not 9-5 job.

warlocks dont have precog powers as u claim, farseers foresee incomming wars, and fall of planets not something so simple as where damn land rider is, unless its a key element in tapestry of fate.

warlocks are specialised psyker who use psi powers for combat, they dont forsee the movements of their enemies they channel they power to cruch souls of the week

Gar
I never said that it was habit, nor occupation. I also didn’t claim that warlocks had precognitive power, I said that farseers do (which is what you told me, as it happens) and so a Farseer Warlock (Warlock Exarch if you would…) would thusly have that ability too. I was making a simplified example of possible applications of such abilities to try to make my point easier for you to understand because I was hoping it was misunderstanding us and not ignoring our replies altogether… So, in future, try to comment on things IN context. Like I said, their speciality in combat-based psychic abilities could easily be combined with the ability to see things fromt he future, if they are a Warlock Exarch/Farseer.
more over read codex “craftworld eldar” description of ulthwe, “…for the many Eldar there who follow the Path of the Seer and the Path of the Warlock.”

Gar
Not sure what you’re trying to say here. I would assume that these are the “Witch paths” that you have been so concious to mention every two seconds, so the Warrior Path is akin to the Witch Path and Seer/Warlock paths are akin to Dire Avenger/Warp Spider paths (in terms of relationship to the overarchin lifestyle choice).

Hammerhand:

we are talking about something else,  

Gar Shadowfame
No, YOU are talking about something else, the thread is entitled Eldar armies and asked about Eldar background, of which Phoenix Lords are possibly one of the most important parts, founding the warrior aspects and inexorably linked with the end of the race. As for your nonsense with farseers and warlocks, it doesn't really matter does it. And FWIW, the person who thinks that everyone else is wrong is seldom ever the only one who is right. FYI I too own the latest codex and have owned all the previous incarnations at one time or another but it doesn't make me the authority on all things Eldar. But thank you for quoting specific bits of the codex to us and twisting what is written into something that will back you up, it's a familiar trait of people I have one game and one game only with.

But thanks for carelessly dismissing my comment without so much as a second thought, you just reminded me why I stopped posting on here over a year ago.

Hashut’s Blessing:

Hammerhand: I hope that this doesn’t put you off posting and I welcome you back. I hope to see you continuing on the forums in the future.

Due to the near-heated nature of this thread and the fact that there is no concession from anyone, this thread is now locked.