Tired of the confusion and uncertainty with the pending AoS release and what it will mean for our big hatted friends, I wrote them a couple of emails. Here’s what I wrote:
Good morning,
I am writing you to find out what information, if any, you may be able to provide with regards to ongoing support with the Legion of Azorgh/Chaos Dwarfs within the context of the pending Age of Sigmar release in July. Last summer as the Tamurkhan books were running out of supply, there was notice from Forgeworld that there would be ongoing support for this army moving forward into 9th edition, but obviously little specifics were provided at the time. I am nervous, but optimistic that Forgeworld will continue support fo the return of one of the lost armies in Warhammer. I truly don’t want to see my lovelies go the way of the Squats.
Here is their first reply:
Thank you for yuor email. We are all eagerly awaiting the launch of Age of Sigmar and as such we will have to wait for this release before we can update any of our rules. So, we will be able to begin these update after the release of Age of Sigmar.
I wasn’t completely happy with that reply so round 2:
One follow up question. I think you’re implying that there will be ongoing support within AoS, but you are a little unclear. Has Forgeworld decided to provide new rules/updated rules for the Chaos Dwarfs within the AoS setting? Is this something that has yet to be decided? At this point I, and many others, have suspended new purchases until there is some certainty around the fate of this army.
Their response:
Following on from your email we would be unable to answer your question as we do not know what Age Of Sigmar is.
We do not know what the role or impact Chaos dwarf would have in Age OF Sigmar or vise versa.
I am confident (and with backup from past experience) that our design team and rules writers will produce any documents that may be needed for any future releases do do with the fantasy universe.
As yet nothing has been decided as there has been no word on what Age of Sigmar Is.
As it stands there is nothing stopping our Chaos Dwarfs hobbyists from playing the game of Warhammer fantasy battle and using the Tamakharn book for the rules.
I wrote the same question in a day ago, and got the same response. They said they would likely update the chaos dwarf rules and release them with pdf. I find it odd the lack of communication between gw and forgeworld and it is also concerning in that it seems they they have no idea how chaos dwarfs will interact in this new world. Will forgeworld try to make them fit? What if they dont?
Hopefully If they do update Chaos Dwarfs they will fix the stupid entries.
If they do make a pdf, That means that they won’t plan to make an actual book. In that case we should get around to making a book from the PDF they create. Ill probably do one for myself anyway.
GW have released nothing except a teaser poster for Age of Sigmar. Every “rumour” is one incremental step removed from complete speculation. Information is being tightly controlled and even the reliable rumour-mongers are giving contradictory answers to questions.
In light of that, why would FW - even if they did know something - reply with anything besides variations on “wait and see”?
We’ll find out when we find out. Everyone with any investment in Warhammer is in the exact same situation.
Ofc you are right. Forgeworld probably know as much as we do, Same as the Staff in stores. It’s likely we will all find out at the relatively same time.
But that forgeworld email does show that their staff is speculating on what they can or can’t do. So there’s something.
Or it’s a smokescreen - I was in a GW store last weekend and the blueshirt was being very nudge-nudge-wink-wink about the army books being removed. I think they know more than they’re letting on, and so do FW probably. The point is, it’s obviously part of the plan that no one knows what’s coming, so why would anyone expect them to blow it like this?
Or it's a smokescreen - I was in a GW store last weekend and the blueshirt was being very nudge-nudge-wink-wink about the army books being removed. I think they know more than they're letting on, and so do FW probably.
Thommy H
They are always like that though, they've told me all kinds of nonsense over the years, pretending that they know secret info about upcoming stuff. I bet all they know is that they are pulling a lot of stuff off the shelves, but half of it is going to be put back and they don't know what half that is.
I have a very good mate in GW Copenhagen. He has never given us any rumours or winkwink - because he doesn’t now anything about upcoming stuff. Every single time the get a new release, they now it 1 week in advance.
He knows nothing about 9th except that “Age of Sigmar” text we’ve all read. The store manager has even called GW HQ on multiple occasions asking questions about stuff related to 9th, never gotten any answers.
So at least in DK, they store workers know as much as we all do. They have no secrets.
He does say however:
- Since the End Times stopped, they have been a steady decline in WHFB sales. (Scandinavia has always been roughly 50:50 in sales between WHFB and 40k).
- People don’t really play any WHFB games at the store anymore.
- Seems like people are tired of secrets, rumours and no substance. As it been going on and on for a long time.
- They as store clerks can’t answer any questions and get people to buy stuff.
Me too. I’m Warhammer 9th Fatigued. I completely demotivated about Warhammer. Sure we will just play 8th if AoS is bad. But right now my mates and I aren’t really getting stuff done.
In our group the endtimes has been demotivating, everyone liked nagash but from glottkin and KFA most of us stopped allowing endtimes and with the khaine magic the group as a whole simply disallowed endtimes except lore of undeath and 50% lord/heroes since its in the rulebook errata.
We’re all hyped about 9th, the savior edition we hope.
Fun to look forward to it but most of us are at a buy-halt until the new rulebook is released and we’ve started to figure out the new powerlevels of things.
I’m curious to see how they can destroy a much loved game with 30 years of history and memories. If anyone can do it the current incarnation of GW can. Why were the 90’s so much better!?
I'm curious to see how they can destroy a much loved game with 30 years of history and memories. If anyone can do it the current incarnation of GW can. Why were the 90's so much better!?
Doombeard
The 90's... When air was something clean and sex was something dirty. Before the Lotr movies fantasy still was just a genre on the margin, now its being mainstream adapted and thats why from our perspektive quality drops. Businesswise a broader audience means more sales, thats why everything cool eventually turns into the same mediocre paste
1. My eyesight was better.
2. I still had some semblance of a hairdoo.
3. I was getting more.
4. I didn't ache so much without doing anything extremely physical.
5. I didn't know so much and wasn't so cynical about the world.
6. I didn't know so much ........... probably because I could still drink without lasting effect.
7. and ...............................
White Dwarf had gaming and hobby articles, hobbyists felt involved. Today GW is a store like Smiths or GAME. GW need to sink some effort and money into promoting the game and the hobby again. The products are better than ever, the creative side is brilliant, its the middlemen in suits and the bean counting that ruins things (as ever).
I hope FW take this as an opportunity to fix the unusable units in Tamurkhan and make them good. I think as soon as 9th is out there and we have a good idea of what comparable units will do, we should put together a feedback pdf detailing how we think the list should be updated and send it to them. Its clear they need some help, even if they won't admit it, and we have some very capable people on this forum.
Speculation here but It sounds like 8th ed will remain as the main/ last edition and slowly get fazed out over the years ahead so Tamurkhan will remain playable as there wont be any new editions any more. It’d be pretty sweet if we could sign off with a nicer version of LoA. Even if we make it ourselves
The last post here has a link on FAEIT where they explain that (maybe) the 9th edition is going to be set in an alternative world, similar, but slightly different, to the old one. Now, FAEIT is pretty infamous for the inaccuracy of its rumors, but I could totally buy into “the alternative reality” gimmick. You know, we would have a new Warhammer world without all the system bugs of the previous one… Still, whether or not GW considers us to be a “system bug” it’s hard to say, although I strongly suspect that given the choiche they would ruthlessly erase us from every record.