[Archive] How to fix Banner Pole?

Loidrial:

Easy question, I have the Bull bannerman and a axewarrior bannerman, but both their poles are broken at the base of the hand.

How can I fix them properly? I cant drill a hole and use a pin for it because it is too small.

Using only glue wont work either because the pole is too small too…

I never found a solution for thise things since when I used to play. x.x

Any ideas?

Dînadan:

Chop off the hand, sculpt a new one around the banner pole and pin the new hand to the arm and make do with a shooter banner. Alternatively, chop off the top of the banner and drill a hole into it and a hole through the hand, then use a length of wire or a wire spear/pike (the sort used by historic minis, eg - http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=536 ) to replace the pole (no need to pin as the wire will fit into the hole in the banner top and through the hand hole). Second alternative, remove the hand and replace with a banner from another mini (check your local bitz site if you don’t have any spare from another kit).

Hunter:

When I played Warmachine, I replaced the bendy pikes on my unit of Iron Fang Pikemen with brass rods using the technique shown here:

http://archive.brushthralls.com/modelling/brass-rod-tutorial.html

You just need to establish the diameter of the poles you’re replacing and then find brass rods and drill bits that match. As long as you’re careful and take your time it’s not overly difficult. For the centaur standard pole, you may find the larger drill bit won’t fit in the pin vice, so you might need a different tool for that.

Good luck!

Loidrial:

God, so basically with what I have I cant do anything.

Great. Resculpt a hand, I cant even make a round with GS.

Otherwise drill the entire model? Couldnt ask for better, seems I will be stucked with 2 broken models.

Grimbold Blackhammer:

Drill a hole right through the hand and replace the entire pole. You’ll be good to go after that.

Abecedar:

http://archive.brushthralls.com/modelling/brass-rod-tutorial.html

Hunter
Thanks for this link. I've tried this untutored before with some success but seeing someone do it right is always good.

snowblizz:

Easy question, I have the Bull bannerman and a axewarrior bannerman, but both their poles are broken at the base of the hand.

Loidrial
I'm not entirely 100% which models those are, so I'm going of the best of knowledge.
How can I fix them properly? I cant drill a hole and use a pin for it because it is too small.

Loidrial
Yes, you totally can. I haven't yet seen a banner pole you couldn't drill. Carefully.

Alternatively you drill a socket into the hand giving a better place for the banner to be glued into it. Using a bit the same width as the banner pole. Which must be possible because there should be at least enough space where the banner was originally attached.

Baggronor:

Easiest method: Saw off the hands and attach new hands with banner poles from a suitable plastic kit (I would recommend Dwarfs or Chaos Warriors). If you don’t have any, take a look on eBay or Bits and Kits.

I would go for the above method regardless, as models that get used in tabletop play get a lot of manhandling and anything involving pinned GS or hollowed out banner poles won’t be as resilient as a simple hand swap.

Geist:

If you have a pin vice drill the manual type, you can drill a tiny hole into the banner and then slide a paper clip in, do the same to the shaft of the banner. Trust me this works, a pin vice can make a tiny tiny hole.

Loidrial:

If you have a pin  vice drill the manual type, you can drill a tiny hole into the banner and then slide a paper clip in, do the same to the shaft of the banner.  Trust me this works, a pin vice can make a tiny tiny hole.

Geist
I have a "hand drill" but makes hole almost of the same size of the pole.
I drilled a hole in the hand and removed a lil part of the banner shaping it with a pointy end so it could go in.
Liters of glue in the end, knowing it wont last anyway.
I dont have another way of doing it.

snowblizz:

I have a "hand drill" but makes hole almost of the same size of the pole.

Loidrial
And this is why you go to a hardware store and buy a set of drilbits that are small, eg a set 0.6 - 2.0 mm cost a few euros.

Loidrial:

I have a "hand drill" but makes hole almost of the same size of the pole.

Loidrial
And this is why you go to a hardware store and buy a set of drilbits that are small, eg a set 0.6 - 2.0 mm cost a few euros.


snowblizz
even going for something that small:
1 there is no way i can find some pin that small either to put inside the hole
2 how can you even make sucha small hole into a pole that has already a diameter of 1mm basically? doesnt work

Hunter:

Don’t use a pin unless the brass rod you’re using is hollow (like a very small metal straw). If you follow my link above, you replace the entire pole with a solid piece of brass rod. I promise you, it’s not too difficult. I did it on 10 models and got perfect results every time.

Geist:

Maybe you don’t under stand me.  It is a pin vice not s hand drill.  There are eltrcal pin vices and manuals, you need the manual type.  Let me see if I can show you a picture because I promise you a pin vice will make the hole you need.

Loidrial:

Maybe you don't under stand me.  It is a pin vice not s hand drill.  There are eltrcal pin vices and manuals, you need the manual type.  Let me see if I can show you a picture because I promise you a pin vice will make the hole you need.

Geist
yep that is something similar to what i have too, but i'm not able to hold still a pole of 1mm diameter and drill a smaller hole inside of it, long enough to put inside something so small that i dont even know what it can be

Geist:

Paper clip will fit, clamp the part your working on with a rubber tipped clamp. This will get you the grip you need and a small aka regular paper clip will fit. If it will work for skeletons it will work for your guys.

Guter:

The easiest way I did by myself and it works perfectly:

1. buy thin, about 1 mm drill in the tool shop

2. glue the drill into the pencil, pen, or anything that helps you to drill

3. drill a holes

4. use a needle as a strong and thin pin

5. …

6. PROFIT!

gIL^:

I got your back. Use your method of drill plus superglue and invest in a product called super glue activator. Army build does one.

Glue it in place so it’s straight and spray the activator on the glued part and bang hard as a rock. It sticks in literally seconds and the bond is harder than any superglue I’ve ever used.

Sounds to go to he true but it’s real. Also if your using gw super glue drop it and get a proper glue.

Loidrial:

This morning I went to a Hardwarestore and the guy gave me a Nail of 2,3mm diameter (the orignal banner pole is 1,8 more or less) and he drilled both ends (for free! O_O) so i could plug the top part of the banner in like a pin, and the bottom with some glue and a plastic wrap cylinder thing of the brushes cover (cmon, i know you got what part i mean!) I made some sort of handle/hand protection.

What do you people think? Do you think it is too long?

Fuggit Khan:

It is a bit long, but you know what? It works and personally I like it…all that matters is that you like it too. You could always get creative and add two pennants/flags to the pole itself (one could be an army pennant, the other a unit pennant), that might be a first.