I doubt GW will go back to the cartoony big noses they seam to be going for a much darker theme though there might be some humor scattered about.
Kered
I also think main problem with a new army is economical risk, and sadly i also believe that a restyle of Cd is a must (actually transforming them into a "new army" as well.
AssurBahniZharr
These are the two main factors stopping a Chaos Dwarf re-release, and they are both tied together. The last CD army was Big Hats, which are firmly tied into the cartoony warhammer or 4th edition. Unlike other armies, which were gradually moved to a more gritty style towards the end of 5th edition, Chaos Dwarves were left behind. Wheras other armies that have been re-done for 6th and 7th could reuse some of the existing models and artwork, Chaos Dwarves no can't, as the existing models and artwork just don't fit in with the rest of the warhammer world anymore.
So to re-do Chaos Dwarves, would be a huge investment, they would need completely brand new art, brand new models as well as a rules update. Effectively, you would have costs similar to a brand new race, and with no indication of how well they would sell, you have a large financial risk. This more than any idea of offending a particular group of people is the reason they haven't been done.
I think that if there is a way back for Chaos Dwarves, it will be slowly and gradually and through some kind of White Dwarf list. Hopefully, GW will use White Dwarf to support some of the forgotten armies now 8th is released, but I won't be holding my breath.
Chaos Dwarves no can't, as the existing models and artwork just don't fit in with the rest of the warhammer world anymore.
The Hellcannon does. Its a start.
I think that if there is a way back for Chaos Dwarves, it will be slowly and gradually and through some kind of White Dwarf list.
They don't really do WD lists anymore though, because WD lists occupy a nebulous area of officialdom. If there is to be a way back, I believe it will be because of CDO. Eventually we will be too big for them to ignore.
I am looking forward to seeing something very different from the big hat brigade.
I would rather they were more akin to the hellcannon crew with some homage to 3rd edition.
I do not want to see Mesopotamian dwarfs, that would be a big sad yaaaaawn.
Chaos Dwarfs should be CHAOS first and foremost.
Lets see some mutations and madness among them.
Hashut's little helper
hell no beards and hats all the way choas is a tag there not really part of choas there just bad ass dwarfs
i think for gw its not doable to rerelease choas dwarfs under there currant fluff they would need a complete rewrite. im only basing this off of a few things i will try and explaine.
most armies have a real world counterpart empire brets tomb kings are clearly germany france and egypt respectivly
for choas dwarfs its Assyrian/Babylonian currantly middle east from syria to iran. there also clearly for want of a better word bad guys in the fluff. Its not even a gaming reason but you cant pose the white guys as the heros and the middle eastern as bad guys even in gaming back ground it would be really hard to sell that is not subtle racism at best blatant at worst. I think its a real shame as choas dwarfs are my first army and the only army i still own. there back ground was written in the 80s not post 911
i really hope im wrong with what i have said and there re done and smash all before them like they should do
richard barby
Not sure I agree.
GW will obviously not make a Arabian army per say, but a chaos dwarf army? Who is going to be upset by that? The little people of the world (Since midget, or dwarf has a band connotation in today's society). I doubt that the Middle Eastern world is going to take much offense since in their world view their art does not allow for the depiction of anything human or animal based.
Willmark
Well it might help if you knew that Assyrians are not Arabs or Muslims , as a matter of fact most present day Assyrians are Christian.
The ancient civilizations of the Assyrians and Babylonians were founded before the arabs or islam came to Mesopotamia.
So if the discussion is if arabs or muslims might be offened , only if they decided to change/convert first.
Just a bit of info for the " bulls are cows, etc " crowd here at cdo.
Well it might help if you knew that Assyrians are not Arabs or Muslims , as matter of fact most present Assyrians are Christian.
The ancient civilizations of the Assyrians and Babylonians were founded before arabs or islam came to Mesopotamia.
So if the discussion is if arabs or muslims might be offended , only if they decided to change/convert first.
Just a of bit info for the " bulls are cows, etc " crowd here at cdo.
Alric
If ever there was a reason to avoid the anthropomorphisising of the Chaos dwarfs then this is it.
Avoid getting anywhere near too close to human historical aspects because it will always fail to meet the accepted standards that everyone has for a period in history.
Keep them Dwarfs and lash them with Chaos.
I'm so glad the big hats are dead, they were fun but they became dated after a few years and I want my Chaos dwarfs to be sinister, not a laughing stock attraction for an Ogre Kingdom travelling circus.
That was a fun but silly abberration and I'm glad it's time has long since passed.
Thats why I will go with the Hellcannon crew look everytime over the 18 year old massive hat sculpts from 4th edition.
I used to own 5000 points of the big hat brigade but I'm glad I sold them on because I never wanted to use them on the table after about 1998.
I am waiting for some fresh new look that takes CD's in a different and darker direction more in line with 3rd edition and the Hellcannon crew.
They are long overdue a major make over.
I guess the most sensible way would be mixing 3rd/HC look with the 4th ed assyrian style, make the 4th ed style darker but the chaos-look more sophisticated…
after all, theyre rich, crafty and civilized rather than the barbarian tribes
of the chaos wastes… and we really dont want any mini me´s of chaos…
think of dwarfs looking like smaller clones of the imperium…
I guess the most sensible way would be mixing 3rd/HC look with the 4th ed assyrian style, make the 4th ed style darker but the chaos-look more sophisticated... after all, theyre rich, crafty and civilized rather than the barbarian tribes of the chaos wastes... and we really dont want any mini me´s of chaos... think of dwarfs looking like smaller clones of the imperium...
rabotak
I'm not so sure their looks as what is or is not stopping them from being re-released. I think that duiscussion probably only matters to us. To GW the only question is will they sell. Much like anything in life it comes down to money. If they see enough profit they will do so, if not they won't. My contention all along is that they model range is already there with using components from the O&G, chaos and dwarf range. GW has moved away from the hobby modeling angle to a large degree. They want people to but near finished models it seems. Ironically for some of us here thats largely irrelevant as we had enough of GW being asleep at the wheel and took our fate into our own hard and just started making our own figures.
The larger picture is GW in position to take risks from the finaicial perspective. That answer is yet to be determined. In the meantime they can continue with Space Marines.
In any event our best bet is to keep up with we are doing and hope the "mystery army" rimless on warseer turns out to be us.
Those rumours have been going for over a year without even a further hint. There were supposed to be actual models, seems odd that they’d leave them in a cupboard all this time.
I fear that if GW brings out chaos dwarfs again, that they’ll be a part of the chaos armies as we see them now.
Even the rumour that forgeworld will redo them pitches them into the chaos army…
I personally don’t like to have chaos dwarfs that just look like stunted marauders with curly beards.
I also find it annoying that the hellcanon crew had eight-pointed stars on them.
If GW/forgeworld redoes them, most of the Hashut background will be left out… it’ll probably still be in the book, but you won’t be able to tell that Hashut is their god when you look at the models. That is what I think when I look at the helcanon.
Zuh-Khine, I totally agree. My biggest fear is also that they will trade of our background for something else (less offence, propably something more daemonic) and that they will make mini chaos warriors with beards. That´s not what I want for our beloved chaos dwarfs. I love our current fluff, it´s uniqe and good (even if it could use more work on it).
Mystery army I think will be fishmen! But nothing against that, I love fish
It would be impressive actually for them to have warmachines with religious design elements. I can’t actually think of any warhammer warmachines where this is obvious.
I’m not sure the question is whether they would make a profit or not, I think the question is whether they would make enough of a profit to make it worthwhile.
