gORCUS:
Does Hashut have a unique symbol or icon like all the other deities of the old world?
Or is he just represented by a variety of arrows, lightning bolts, skulls and large hats being present:D.
Lord Zarkov:
Yes he does have a symbol; I’ve attempted to draw it in paint for you, but i’m not amazing at doing so so you’ll have to excuse that slight dodgyness
anyway, image attached to post
Hashut’s Blessing:
It’s basically the same sybol as Khorne’s, minus one line.
metro_gnome:
coincidence?.. i think not…
its printed on several of the big hat models…
gORCUS:
Cool, thanks guys! I like nice iconic symbols for my armies.
Grimstonefire:
Just so I know, the way LZ did it (also bottom left on Metros picture), that is the right way up?
metro_gnome:
yes… that is the right way up…
Hashut’s Blessing:
As far as we can tell. They are on the BCs axes and so it is speculation. The connection between Khonre and this symbols isn’t coincidence ata ll. Chaos Dwarfes used to be part of Khornate armies.
metro_gnome:
well no… they were not specifically khornate… they could be fielded in any chaos army…
they were just usually fielded with khorne due to his aversion to magic in favor of technology…
in 3rd ed chaos could get 40K weaponry… dwarfs with bolters… wheeee!
but the Khornate connection to Hashut dates back to the dread dum-dum-da-dum “Daemon Prince” fluff…
that got excluded from the WHRP book…
but it raises itz ugly head again in Liber Chaotica: Khorne… in the end of days business…
really these two godz are inseperably linked in some way…
How they are linked? is the question…
Hashut’s Blessing:
My mistake. I was just going by what I knew. Thanks for the clear-up!
Zorgoth:
from what I know, Hashut was originally Khorne’s greatest Bloodthirster lord, but then he learned magic freom tzeetnch and then it all fell out…
Xander:
That certainly has been buzzing around the net. It is not apart of 4th/5th edition fluff. It would have to be 3rd edition or earlier. Or perhaps WHRP fluff… does anyone know how this theory got started?
cornixt:
It was something that was submitted for WFRP but it didn’t make it into print because it gave away too much information where GW wanted more room for players to do their own thing, I’m not even sure who it got onto the internet. At least that was my understanding.
metro_gnome:
or it was cut because the book ended up being to big… and they wanted to save trees… and money…
the tzeench thing is not part of it tho… just a bloodthirster gone bad (if you can imagine such a thing)…
i did do some waxing lyrical along the lines of it was hashuts introduction to magic that caused his fall…
but i was pretty sure i was making stuff up… i must go dig that up when i have some time…
Grimstonefire:
Something I plan to do eventually is to make an Icon to each of the main 3 Dwarf Ancestor gods. It would a huge version of the rune for the god on a chariot base held aloft by several dwarfs.
Now this could also be done here using this rune.
Hashut’s Blessing:
Instead of the Big Four, the Short Four, he he he.
n00bLord:
I highly doubt the Bloodthirster theory as from the fluff the daemons of say Khorne are basically extensions of himself in which they cannot be anything but under his own control. Due to fuzzy memory the words used in the above scentence were not the ones I would have liked to use. I doubt a greater demon would be able to turn from their god in all honesty. Hashut must be a lesser chaos god such as Malal…
metro_gnome:
well here it is… not as blood thirster it appears…
Daemon prince… and we all know how they can get on…
coughBel’akorcough…
enjoy or writhe in hatred… depending on your maturity level…
“One of the Daemon Princes, Hashut, revolted against the Lords of Chaos. Khorne swatted Hashut away and sent other Daemon Princes with their retinues to slay the defiant daemon…The Chaos Incursion ignored the Dark Lands until Hashut’s revolt against the Lords of Chaos. Fleeing from the Daemon Princes sent by the Blood God to destroy him, Hashut made his stand in the Dark Lands. The savage battles they fought boiled away the rivers and left the land a desiccated ruin. The servants of the Daemon Princes destroyed Goblin and Hobgoblin villages to deny Hashut any possible allies.it appears my thoughts on it are lost to the warp…
These new (though unwitting) allies gave Hashut the opportunity to turn against his pursuers. He killed many, but Khorne always sent more. Knowing they would eventually overwhelm him, Hashut withdrew into the underground darkness to rebuild his strength. Khorne’s slaves followed and finally cornered their quarry in a large underground cavern. Suffering from their own wounds, the followers of the Blood God imprisoned Hashut behind a great door of brass and darkened iron to hold him till Khorne saw fit to exact his vengeance in person…”
“…Unlike their western brethren, the Dwarf clans of the Mountains of Mourn didn’t receive Grungni’s warning before the Warpgates collapsed and Warpdust seeped into their settlements. Yet, the eastern Dwarfs realised that something was amiss and closed their doors. A surge of Warp matter obliterated the Dwarfs’ surface entrances and entrapped them below. For hundreds of years, the Dark Lands Dwarfs were trapped underground. No matter where they tunnelled, impenetrable rock prevented them from reaching the surface. The Dwarfs burrowed ever-deeper, always seeking a way past the rock that trapped them.
They eventually tunnelled into a magnificent underground gallery with walls of obsidian. Carefully exploring the cavern, the Dwarfs found a huge sealed door made of brass and darkened iron with arcane writings inscribed on it. Rune Lord Grimdalf the Grey took it upon himself to translate the glyph learn what was beyond the door. After many years, Grimdalf successfully read the script and, as he mouthed the last syllable, the resulting blast tore him apart. The sound of it reverberated throughout the tunnels, as did the roar of whatever it was Grimdalf had set free.
The thing from behind the door was free and Dwarfs were dying. Even when they finally tunnelled out of the earth, the killings continued during the night. In time, fewer died and some Dwarfs were even allowed to return to their fellows with tales of a gigantic creature from the Darkness. With their Dwarfking dead (one of the beast’s first victims), the remaining clan leaders selected a delegation to approach the creature in its lair to learn its intent. It told them that its name was Hashut, Father of Darkness, and that he would grant them great power if they worshipped him alone. Hashut told the Dark Lands Dwarfs that their Ancestor Gods abandoned them to the onslaught of Chaos. Should they refuse, promised Hashut, their lines would come to an end and their achievements would be forgotten.
A heated argument broke out between those who saw wisdom in Hashut’s words and those who saw forsaking the Ancestor Gods as the first step to damnation. At the height of the debate, weapons were drawn and Dwarf slew Dwarf. Seeing the fight from afar, Hashut granted sorcerous power to those elders who favoured him, tipping the battle in their favour. To honour their new god, the victors sacrificed many of their brethren to Hashut, while they gave others to him as slaves. Some of these he mutated into the beasts that serve him: the Great Taurus and Lammasu. Hashut also took the most ferocious fighters for his cause and shaped them into the Bull Centaurs, his distinguished servants. Lastly, the victorious clan elders were permanently rewarded with powerful sorcerous abilities, which they used to Hashut’s glory.
In a final desperate act against their now debased rulers, the remaining Runesmiths revolted against Hashut’s new order. But, the corruption of the Dark Lands Dwarfs had even affected the power of the Runesmiths. The battle raged for months, but the Sorcerer-Priests were too strong. The Runesmiths were broken and enslaved, while the more powerful among them were sacrificed to Hashut after several days of ritual torture. With the last vestiges of their former culture removed, the corruption of the Dark Lands Dwarfs was completed. Hashut rewarded them with tusks to mark them as his own, while he granted the most devout cloven hoofs and horns.”
it was something to the effect that Khorne set up several Daemons to the pursuit of crushing Magic…
in times when the destroyer and changer were more at odds…
these princes were assigned a specific type of magic to destroy…
Hysh’ut (Hashut) was one of these daemons…
Hysh meaning “Light magic” and i consiered “ut” to mean the negaitve…
so “Anti-light” or “Father of Darkness”…
in order to combat a magic of a certain type these daemons dwelt heavily on its opposite magic…
so by corruption of the changer all of these daemons (one for each magik type) revolted together…
Hashut standing against the destroyer is a little far fetched… 8-10 of them might make a run for it…
anyway it was an utter failure… and Hashut was the only survivor…
which leads to the story we have above…
i like totally made this bit up… but i dont think it sounds bad…
n00bLord:
Thanks, thats a bit more believable than the Bloodthirster bit, alot better. Heh Grimdalf the Grey… LoTR any one? This seems to have gotten off topic a bit but I guess in a good way?
Hashut’s Blessing:
THAT is the fluff I remember having read so long ago!!!