[Archive] TAMURKHAN Discontinued

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Red Skullz:

So FW are dropping whfb all together? Hmm. My dream would be FW doing a proper chaos dwarf book pitting them against something fun. Like blorc rebellion or whatever.

Ah well. Best scenario now is if gw does the book. And with the speed they’re maintaining on releases why not.

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Lucifer:

doesnt mean we shouldnt at least TRY to sway GW… theyve allowed Tamurkhan at tournaments and have no problem me using old models (this was in reference to next years May tournament btw)

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Admiral:

GW dropping or not dropping all army books hardly matters in the question of mail “pressure”. We’d naturally not want anything else than an army book useable in 9th edition, anyway.

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Mivrash Faz:

GW dropping or not dropping all army books hardly matters in the question of mail "pressure". We'd naturally not want anything else than an army book useable in 9th edition, anyway.

Admiral
Totally agree with you Admiral. At the end of the day we need a "legal" set of rules. Ideally this would be a new army book, but to be honest I would be happy with a section in the WoC, or Dwarfs, or whatever army book. Hell, if LoA was still viable for 9th I wouldn't complain. Let's see what happens what happens, but for me I won't purchase the 9th ed. rule book until I see what happens with the Dawi Zharr.
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Thommy H:

This whole thread makes me feel all warm and nostalgic.

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Admiral:

@Mivrash Faz: Fingers crossed! Or, I hold my thumbs, as we say in Sweden. :slight_smile:

@Thommy H: Haha, yes, the sinking from official status is part of the lifecycle of Chaos Dwarfs, isn’t it? Well, lack of official backing hasn’t really hindered this community before. There are advantages with being left out in the dark. Creativity kicks in for a lot of people and all that, as they scramble to fill in the void.

Besides, what would you think of making yet another army list (only a list this time, not a whole book!)?

You see, LoA will probably remain pretty popular at tournaments even though it goes unofficial, but LoA does not contain some of the goodies from 4th edition like non-Hobgoblin Greenskin slaves, Hobgoblin Bolt Throwers or ordinary Chaos Dwarf Warriors. Since you’re pretty much a one-man army book development team anyway, I believe you’re the right person for cooking up a quick but working hybrid of Legion of Azgorh and the old Chaos Dwarf army list, for people and not least tournaments to use.

In case of yes, then it would need to stick close to the GW/FW format with as few original takes of one’s own upon it as possible to maintain an air of conformity to once-official material to keep tournament organizers away from unease. A hybrid list will please the whole, varied Chaos Dwarf crowd, especially if it balances the points costs of currently overpriced or underpriced units and equipment. Earthshakers and Death Rockets would naturally not be included, since they’re Dreadquakes and Deathshriekers these days, though your Iron Daemon re-work would be preferable over FW’s version in Tamurkhan.

Of course, once CD players have matured from that hybrid army list school they can advance to your own army book. But if you would be interested in such a mission it would be sensible to wait for 9th edition to arrive first, correct?

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Thommy H:

My most recent book is basically what you’re describing - Legion of Azgorh plus older units and stuff I’ve cooked up over the years.

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BABIS:

who likes True Detective here?

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Bolg:

Ha that was a nice reed. I know I dont visit this forum often enough but this was fun.

(I personally think the book will remail legal under 9th ed, but we’ll just have to see and wait…)

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Time of Madness:


Still, the point is that (contrary to what was said above) AIUI all the Army Books will be invalidated in 9th Ed, so there's no chance whatsoever that Tamurkhan will still be valid. And if it were, why would they stop printing it?

Bitterman
Highly unlikely they will drop all the army books for 9th. That would mean them coming out with something like Ravenging hordes again when the new edition hits.

Time of Madness
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Bloodbeard:

This is why I drop my cookies during a discussion like this. There is too many rumors, too much “GW certainly will” and zero to no sources. And when we have sources it’s often to another forum, linking another forum. Some of the prophets making accurate guesses on future releases might even be GW employess - they are brilliant at creating hype!

The End Times discussions has generally been nice, because they’ve been backed up by pictures of white dwarf magazines.

So FW are dropping whfb all together?

Red Skullz
Not by any official decree or message. FW has stated in lots of emails and on games day (or whatever it’s called now) that Warhammer Forge is on hold. It’s on hold because everybody is working on Warhammer 30k and the Horus Heresy. And they have also stated that Warhammer Forge is on hold until the Horus Heresy is complete.

So: Warhammer Forge is not dead, closed, dropped by any official word yet. THey actually launched that Lizardman Dinosaur thing during the hold.
Still, the point is that (contrary to what was said above) AIUI all the Army Books will be invalidated in 9th Ed, so there’s no chance whatsoever that Tamurkhan will still be valid. And if it were, why would they stop printing it?

Bitterman
How have you to come to understand that all armybooks are invalidated when 9th comes? Bring a source to the table please.
Regarding Tamurkhan.
Q: This brings me onto my third question, about the range and book itself. I’ve just noticed the book is now going out of production, will this invalidate the Legion of Azgorh as an official army?
A: The Tamurkhan book is not being reprinted as we need to see what happens with the End Times being released by Games Workshop.  this doesn’t invalid the Chaos Dwarf list at all.

Odatria and FW
What I do know
9th edition: No one knows what changes there will be to 9th edition and no one knows when it’s gonna be out. There has been “9th just around the corner” rumors for years. And they have turned out to be 40k, Space Hulk and End Times in stead.

Army Books and armies: I have a friend working at GW in Copenhagen and they don’t know anything either. The only thing they have a clue about is the next release - and only just before the Website puts in a “pre-order” option.

They call Nottingham many times a week asking the following questions, from concerned people not wanting to expand or start certain warhammer armies due to rumors: “Will this or that get dropped in 9th?”, “Is there time to make and play a new army before 9th messes it up?”, “Will End Times officially kill off some stuff?”  

The answer everytime: “Collect all you want. Nothing is getting dropped or made illegal.” People are still sceptical though like: “Orion is dead in the End Times!” - the answer is “This End Times Battle takes place just before Tyrion kills Orion - use him in your pure Wood Elf list.”

And in GW Copenhagen CDs are allowed still and in End Times campains and games.

Anyone having any official sources saying something different, please post or link them.

The End Times: My friend says they have never had so many warhammer players gaming in the store - normally it’s the 40k boys taking the scene. New people are getting into the hobby - because something is happening and armies are cheaper.

New stuff, scenarios and games are being played all the time. The finally evovling story in Warhammer inspires people. “let’s try this”, “let’s try that” and people can suddently ally in new and cool ways.

And the Named Character stigma/taboo is dying and they are finally being used more.

My guesses based on the above
Pure guess, asumption and not based on any sources.

9th edition: I don’t think GW is rushing anythin because End Times is a gold mine and is creating hype and new warhammer hobbyists. End Times has updated the FAQ for 8th in a major way. I expect more FAQs to 8th (like magic). This updates the game. No need for a 9th edition right away and can test out what brings new people to the hobby.

One thing is certain though. End Times is doing something right - and that will have influence on the future of Warhammer in some way.

Forge World and Warhammer Forge: This would be the perfect time for FW to start Warhammer Forge again. Making Heroes for the End Times. People are spending a lot on money on super sized characters anyways. Cool army specific Lore of Undeath necromancers for example. Are they gonna do it? I don’t think so. 30k is still better money and taking all capacity.

CDs and the future: I don’t believe that all army books are gonna be illegal/dropped - to start completely from scratch. I don’t believe 9th will be radically different (like those skirmish game rumors). 8th was pretty different from 7th (horde, steadfast, two rank fighting, everybody hitting back, better magic) - but I don’t believe in much bigger changes than that (as in from 7th to 8th). The fluff and history might evolve a lot - sure.

So I really can’'t see why LoA wont fit into that whole business. Let’s say “unit strength” gets back as an example - it’ll be easy to figure out what or guys have by comparission to others and we are in the clear.

The fluff turns the darklands into even more of a wasteland - no one can live there! Well I tell the story of how my CDs have imigrated to the Chaos Wastes. Just as wood elf players don’t buy in to the “all elves are one!” fluff and run a “we are nationalist seperatist” theme on there army - despite the fluff now bein something different.

Sources for this? None. Just my own reasoning. And then this last word from my buddy at the only GW store we have in Denmark:

“I can’t imagine any changes being so big comes 9th - that people can’t play their old armies at our store or in our campaigns.”

Then for fun I asked about Ravening Hordes and if it’s still official despite lack of an 8th FAQ.  He said

“If somebody wanted to play CDs by Ravening Hordes in my upcomming End Times campaign, I would suggest LoA, then flip through their booklet and let them.”

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Red Skullz:

When you think of it FW where ahead of their time with a lot of things. How many thought initially that the Tamurkhan releases had to many enormous kits? Now we don’t even bat an eye to the releases and the size and complexity of the kits. Almost like, “why don’t Smaug have multiple heads and more options for varying the pose?”.

What I’m getting at and what I wrote in the “letter to fw” thread. ET is also perfect for FW and the format they work in with the mini campaigns. Just think of all of the possibilities this gives FW to tie in their monsters and heroes/villains directly into the current landscape of fantasy and gives us an expanded ET period. Furthermore since CD is kinda FWs baby now why not use them as the antagonists. ET opens up business in the Dark Lands. Slaves, booming industry and so on. It’s almost like the Lord of War movie.

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Bitterman:

How have you to come to understand that all armybooks are invalidated when 9th comes? Bring a source to the table please.

Bloodbeard
Tom Kirby himself. In writing. Signed in blood.

Seriously. What do you expect me to say here?
9th edition: I don't think GW is rushing anythin because End Times is a gold mine

Bloodbeard
So much of a gold mine that they've just announced their half-year profits are down £1M / 15% compared to last year (down £4M / 35% compared to two years ago). Yep. Gold mine.

Nearly forgot: source.
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Red Skullz:

The next round of numbers are more interesting in terms of ET. Nonetheless if they play this right it will be good in the long term. Fantasy especially has felt stagnant for many years and it needed something to really shake it up

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Admiral:

My most recent book is basically what you're describing - Legion of Azgorh plus older units and stuff I've cooked up over the years.

Thommy H
OK, let's put it this way: Your book is superior to a quick hybrid restricted only to LoA and older units, yet many tournament organizers will have a hard time swallowing anything refined where your own inventions figures; they'll rather want an unrefined product as close as possible to the GW/FW originials even though your own additions and your own takes on it (such as the Slave rule for Infernal Guards) can only improve the product.

Of course, being able to use your armybook, complete with dirges and petrified Sorcerer-Prophets, on tournaments would beat a quick hybrid list any day. But that'd present a much steeper slope of acceptance to climb.

Anyhow, let's see what 9th edition brings first, and thanks for replying. :)
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Wolf :

Response from Forgeworld to my email.

===== Quote =====

While we are running out of the Tamurkhan book this is because we are reaching the end of the print run for this book. Due to the costs of printing books we have no plans to reprint it until any immediate future changed for the Warhammer game have been confirmed. It is also likely that we will make available as a download, the Chaos Dwarf army list from the Tamurkhan book once all the current copies are sold.

If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us.

Regards,

Forge World

If you have a query about your order, please call

0115 900 4995 within the UK

011 44 115 900 4995 from the US and Canada

00 44 115 900 4995 from much of Europe

Our office hours are:

0930 �?" 1800 (GMT) Monday to Friday

0930 �?" 1700 (GMT) Saturday

===== End Quote =====

Seems they will upload the army list as a download.

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Admiral:

Nice! FW have had such a policy for individual units, so it’s good to hear it might happen with a whole army list.

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Malorndk:

Nice!

This message was automatically appended because it was too short.

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snowblizz:

Interestingly I only recently purchased the Tamurkhan book as a bundle with Monstrous Arcanum from FW, 2 books for the price of 1. Haven’t even gotten as far as the LoA armylist. :slight_smile:

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Geist:

Sweet now I can download the digital format instead of lugging around my book of blunt maiming plus 5.