[Archive] This is the end for me

Geist:

I am fairly certain at this point and time that I will being selling all I own that is warhammer related.

Like I said on my home site of centexwar, when I first heard about asscendend beings I was all for it(we have had had demons for years now why not angels?), but GW shoved in marines. Space marines with hammers instead of bolters.

If these models have the stupid poweful rules of a marine in a fantasy world as i fear they will, then I am out. I have hated the idea of the favered son for ages and ages. So much they do for marines and to hell with every one else. If by mid july when the rules are able to be read by all if this is truly the case then I will post a list of all I own. Every last GW item I have ever had or will have will be for sale if what I fear comes true.

So be on the look out for a very large lot of GW stuff. Pm me for info.

Time of Madness:

My gaming group is planning on sticking to 8th edition, however we will definitely wait until the rules are released before making the final decision.

I don’t have a problem playing 8th edition for a few more years. We still play warmaster and that system is 15+ years old.

Time of Madness

Abecedar:

My gaming group is planning on sticking to 8th edition, however we will definitely wait until the rules are released before making the final decision.

I don't have a problem playing 8th edition for a few more years. We still play warmaster and that system is 15+ years old.

Time of Madness

Time of Madness
That is probably what we will be doing. I haven't seen a new face, young or older, at our club this year who is there for WHFB or 40K

Dînadan:

My gaming group is planning on sticking to 8th edition, however we will definitely wait until the rules are released before making the final decision.

I don't have a problem playing 8th edition for a few more years. We still play warmaster and that system is 15+ years old.

Time of Madness

Time of Madness
That is probably what we will be doing.


Abecedar
Same with my club.

gIL^:

I personally don’t see a problem with the models, They will be strong in the game yes ofc but the models look jaw dropping good. Perhaps the best army range GW has ever come up with.

It is a good move by GW. It will definitely bring in the 40k player and that means more players for me. As long as people don’t proxy them with Space Marines im fine, OFC if that happens ill probably just pass on the game.

Space Marines love or hate have the most extensive and best fluff in GW and maybe a bit of that Epic demigod stuff might actually make fantasy i more exiting game for everyone.

Dînadan:

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. As long as people don't proxy them with Space Marines im fine, OFC if that happens ill probably just pass on the game.

gIL^
Of course it'll happen.

:P

Geist:

I am sorry but the models are hideous just gah. Way too out of scale, tiny heads massive bodies. Whack a mole mallets. Its all wrong on so many levels.

As for rules, GW will make them far too good. Space marines are stupidly over powered. I dont need to try and shoot a space marine with his inv save while my guys are chopped to pieces. The rules have one chance to show me that its not over.

Morgrim Blackbeard:

I like them…with a different colour scheme like steel instead of gold they will look good i think…I am already thinking about proxying a Sorcerer Prophet and Bodyguard into the Chaos army…i believe there will be more normal looking human troops these are the Sigmarite equivalent of the Chaos Warriors, gods infused heros…they will be the comparable to the Chaos Warriors stat wise I reckon.

Some head swaps will make them look better i think and the conversion potential is massive. Im am one positive little Hashut’s child…

tjub:

Same here, we’ll stick to 8th. Have all the books, armies and terrain we want. Only play 10ish or so games a year so its not a big deal really. We enjoy WFB as it is, might try older editions on the way or other systems. But why would you want to sell every GW product you own? My main game is Blood Bowl and has been for 10+ years, its not really been supported by GW for ages but is still a game that prospers… Im rather sure that if AoS/WFB change too much from the core, WFB will still live on as a community based game and get a few tweaks from 8th ed.

Doombeard:

I personally don't see a problem with the models, They will be strong in the game yes ofc but the models look jaw dropping good. Perhaps the best army range GW has ever come up with.

It is a good move by GW. It will definitely bring in the 40k player and that means more players for me. As long as people don't proxy them with Space Marines im fine, OFC if that happens ill probably just pass on the game.

Space Marines love or hate have the most extensive and best fluff in GW and maybe a bit of that Epic demigod stuff might actually make fantasy i more exiting game for everyone.

gIL^
I thought they look terrible myself, more like Mantic stuff, goofy poses, no hard edges or detailing, loads of soft curved edging on the armor, the guys with the wings look worse than any mini I've seen them produce. Sigmarines is a pretty apt term for them. The chaos guys have gone backwards too, and just look like Khorne beserkers from the World Eaters CSM range. Surprised theres no chainswords in there.

I'm out too I think. Its too much of an investment in time and money. I'll probably paint my army up for fun and to get max $$ for it, take plenty of pics for memories sake, then sell it all.

Thanks for the memories Chaos Dwarfs Online =)

Dînadan:

Surprised theres no chainswords in there.

Doombeard
Don't worry, that's next month's special character.

;P

Heavygear:

I don’t much care for the Space Marine style armor, but frankly I never did like the puffy sleeves and guys in leotard/pajamas look of the old Empire models either. I won’t be buying it, but it is nice to see the armies of man marching to war in something other than their jammies. The Monty Python Bretts never really appealed to me much either. The knights were nice butI hated the ridiculous tall hats and the poses were fairly static. They were out of scale compared to other man sized mounted models, too.

I’m not selling Jack!

I currently have three fantasy armies. Empire, Dwarfs, and Chaos Dwarf’s. My Empire army is made up of fifth edition Dogs of War  and Kislev models. Men with proper armor and plenty of pointy sticks.

I am excited to see if the Empire has finally gotten some teeth as apposed to the “jack of all trades and master of none” style rules they have had in the last two editions. Maybe now I can make a list out of more than a unit of halberds, two steam tanks, cannons, knights and as many thunder chicken cavalry as I can legally fit in there.

There seems to be more emphasis on characters and I am all for it. Part of the reason I play the game is for guys on giant flying beasties to charge at each other with sharp objects. It always bothered me that you pay 1/4 of your army points for some tooled up joker who can barely fight (Empire especially. Dwarves sort of.) So I welcome some of these rumored changes.

The background in fluff of AoS sounds like complete dung, but who cares. GW never had any decent fluff writers anyway.
If I decide AoS is just repackaged 40k I am planning on trying
Mantic’s Kings of War because a rulebook WITH army lists costs me all of $25.00 bucks. I can use all of my models and play a massed combat game so I have very little investment and nothing to lose really. If that doesn’t stick, yeah, I’ll just go back to playing 8th.

tjub:

Hawkmen… DIVE!

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Helblindi:

Geist, keep in mind that this might be a new, alternative strategy game and may well not be 9th edition. So selling your models and finding out 3 months later that 9th is a different game and not all that bad would be very painful. In any case, I find this behaviour a bit weird for a chaos dwarf, knowing our beloved race has endured several editions of not being supported. If the community could keep CD alive without official support, why couldn’t a larger community keep 8th alive if AoS is really all that bad? Maybe in a year or two, GW will get the message and fix it with 10th.

I’m buying the AoS book when it comes out. So what if the humans look bad (I haven’t made up my mind yet, pics are too bad to really judge them), maybe other races will have a better style. And this is a skirmish game. Many people have been talking about how great mordheim was (I have never played it, only been in WHFB for 2 years), so I think we should give this game a chance, not as a replacement for large scale battles (hopefully) but as an additional skirmish game.

Geist:

The space marine models in the AOS leak are just horrible, littearly marines with fantasy shoved on them.
Marines always with out fail get more love than anyone other faction period.
Those new models are giants and on massive round bases, our dawi will look stupid ranked up in a fight with them.
Why sell all my items?
I gave up on 40slog for the reason above and GW never learned that if you make one faction too powerful whats the point.  They create rules that make other units and armies obsolote unless you take certain items or units that then make the entire faction just a clone of marines in play style.

This is a trend with them that has gone on for a while now.  They have begun the same work with fantasy.  Even if the rules are ok, I still have to deal with moronic huge round bases and stupid looking power armour marines charging me.  The rules might keep me in but my doubt grows worse the more I know not less.
They went lazy and did a reboot that will cost them a large portion of the player base.  I am not a lone insane person saying this is the end of fantasy, I am one of many.  Read other forums if you dont belive me.  THIS IS the death of fantasy.

Dînadan:

No, it is the death of Fantasy within the GW environment - Fantasy will live on in the fan community.  Yes it’ll no longer get updates, but that hasn’t stopped there being strong fan followings of the Specialist Games.  There is nothing stopping you continuing to play 8th ed (or 7th, 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd or even 1st) with your mates at home or at the local club.  If you’re unhappy with the balance as it stands at the end of 8th (or whichever is your chosen edition), then house rule it; go on forums and fan sites and use their fan made rules and errata.  There is no real reason to just chuck away everything you built thus far - GW aren’t going to give a crap either way; if you’ve decided not to go into AoS then it makes no difference to them whether you stick to 8th or give up completely, the only difference is to you - the former you get to keep on enjoying yourself, the latter you’re just cutting off your own nose to spite someone else’s face.

Oh, and saying ‘I’m not crazy, others think the same’ is a poor argument - I’m sure if I said to any alien abductee or conspiracy theorist or whatever that they were insane, they’d reply with that retort. :stuck_out_tongue:

Bloodbeard:

I’ve been forced to edit some of the above posts removing very strong language. Please monitor your tone gentlemen.

gIL^:

In the end this is big kids pushing toy soldiers. If you don’t like it, That’s fine but the hyperbole about Ragequitting and selling armies is plain irrationalism. As others have said this might not even be the main game but a new system that introduces new players to a more friendly and simple system. I mean have you seen 40k players try wheeling? It’s funny.

im just a simple person and i feel chaos-dwarfs.com is the most optimistic friendly warhammer community around. We have survived through entire editions without any rules and we did it optimistically and creatively and i don’t want to see this forum turn into another warseer ( that place is toxic )

Not trying to be impolite and offensive im just stating what i think. Ill be putting my Chaos Dwarfs on rounds as they look much more awesome and continue pushing toy soldiers around and making friends. :smiley:

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. As long as people don’t proxy them with Space Marines im fine, OFC if that happens ill probably just pass on the game.

gIL^
Of course it’ll happen.

:stuck_out_tongue:


Dînadan
And then ill pass that game and play someone else :slight_smile: I think people can understand that.

gIL^:

ohh btw



Has anyone noticed that in the entire set every model is Unique? That’s cool right?

Doombeard:

I find this behaviour a bit weird for a chaos dwarf, knowing our beloved race has endured several editions of not being supported.

Helblindi
There's a point to keeping something alive when there's a game supported to play it with, without a game system whats the point? There will be five years of AoS, by which point all the 8th ed kits will have been phased out, and by the time AoS pt2 comes out 8th will be dead and only kept alive by a small fraction of people , the way Oldhammer and Epic is. Its different to what has happened in the past. You've heard it so many times, 8th ed will be the last, no more WHFB as we know it. The list of kits being discontinued I read this morning was about 20 or 30 long, and it will keep increasing until the whole range is oop.

Quitting WFB isn't about throwing your toys out of the pram in anger or making a rash decision, its about taking the only action you feel able to, having been backed into a corner and the only way to make your voice heard, by denying Games Workshop your cash and voting with your feet. That's my reasoning behind it.

One could argue, that I bought the majority of my army 3rd party in China, or have collected out of production miniatures, so very little actually came form Games Workshop, but I spent like £200-£300 on hobby materials such as paint and brushes from those guys, and I would rather not continue to support them when I fundamentally disagree with everything they do, and recoup my losses and 'cash out' as one might say in gaming terms