Tarrakk Blackhand:
Could it be that most of the CD’s are underground. It seems to me that in the old Fluff that they try to dig downward to extract elements out of the ground where the good Dwarfs dig across, building elaborate tunnels and underground causeways to connect their strongholds.
Kera foehunter:
i think that they are alway out looking for slaves and mining, that they cant be counted .
since they where out working . Only the important people would be in the city and be counted
Henroth:
I said 20,000. I base that on the fact that the Warhammer world is essentially a medieval one, the CD only have one city, and that city does not appear to be particularly large.I to agree with you.
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Willmark:
For me 10,000; they are described as few and far between.
Kera foehunter:
heck i think they have at least 10000 in there city
there is 6500 im my town and it no where the size of the cds citys
Piccolo:
maybe im exaggerating but I think it would have to be at least 500k. The chaos dwarf warriors are still the main force behind the armies. They go to wars and die so there has to be a substantial number of them. Also some dwarfs have to be left home to watch all those slaves while the CD armies ravage foreign lands.
For example a single thunderfire battlebarge requires 30 CD engineers to operate the rocket launcher alone. And i assume that the CD warriors greatly outnumber the engineers on such a ship.
And since warhammer is a world of war, chaos dwarfs would be long extinct if there were 10 or 20k of them. They probably wouldn’t even be able to suppress the black orc rebellion.
A single army can easily consist of 40k warriors so i think the CD empire would have to be much larger than that to survive.
Oh and when you look at the map of the chaos dwarf lands u can see that there are a lot of mines and fortresses all around Zharr Naggrund, they don’t just live in the city itself.
Tarrakk Blackhand:
These mines and fortresses are :
The Tower of Zharr Naggrund
The Plain of Zharr
The Gates of Zharr
The Tower of Gorgoth
The Fortress of Vorag (Ruins)
The Black Fortress
The Deamon’s Stump
Uzkulak
That’s 7 seporate, habitable places for CD’s. And out of those places, there’s going to be CD’s out finding slaves, trading with Ogres, sailing on The Sea Of Dread, merchants suppling Chaos Warriors with weapons, etc. there has to be 40K or more!
Kera foehunter:
well with this many places 10000 maybe a low number
Swissdictator:
Again, I’ve always gotten the impression the global population of the Warhammer world is a lot larger then it was for our world at a similar level of development. So I can’t really use the real world to compare. Judging by the stories, fluff, and artwork… the population must be MASSIVE. Possibly even modern levels of population… such as the Empire having a population equivalent to modern Germany.
If we consider the Dawi Zharr to be like the Persians (known as Iranians today) then their equivalent population (if my theory on modern levels of population are true) to be ~70 million. Even if we assume the slaves outnumber the Chaos Dwarfs say… 6 to 1… that’s still 10 million Dwarfs. Even if the total Dwarf population is 10% that’s still 7 million. While this would make it easy to see why slaves provides the numbers, it is also apparent the Dawi Zharr can support a decent sized fighting force of their own kind… especially with the slaves providing most of the logistical and industrial support.
Still, even if the population is lower then my theory… with the interesting dynamic provided by the Hobgoblins… the actual Dawi Zharr are freed from a lot of the support roles and can fill out the elite ranks of the army with relative ease.
Just some of my thoughts, it is just a theory afterall.
Hazkar:
i say they are more then 40.000
in my hometown live around 30.000 people,and its not a big town,so 40.000 for the whole dark lands
is a good guess imo
Kera foehunter:
Maybe cd breed like rabbits?? i have not got done with the mating habits of the cd yet
i still have 2 years to go on my grant
Tarrakk Blackhand:
yeah Kera…it’s all that Barry White music! LOL!
Swissdictator:
Well Hazkar, the danger is that if we do use the concept of modern populations… (which I think would apply to the Warhammer world) you would be correct… however if the population is more like the dark ages through the Renaissance the populations were quite low. If I remember correctly in the Renaissance the population of London was around 50,000 people.
So it is really relative to the population levels of the world. Regardless of if populations are more like modern times, or the dark ages… the better question is more about how many Dawi Zharr are there relative to the world population of “intelligent beings”.
rabotak:
it must be way more than 40k…
in wdp:cd it sais about zharr-naggrund: “a million evil souls labour to the glory of… hashut…”(p63) ok, that would mostly be slaves since they are the ones doing the “labour” and “outnumber cds many times over”(p7), still, you need quite some personal resources to oversee the working masses…
btw “zharr-naggrund” is “the greatest city in the world”(p63) …
well, and then theres all the other settlements and mines…
I´d go for at least 50k in Zharr-Naggrund, and another 5-10k in the plains and elsewhere
Tarrakk Blackhand:
don’t forget that London was fighting the Black Plague. There COULD have been more people.
Kera foehunter:
well here in americas we hadd over 6 million and 500 nations
durring the dark ages!!
Hazkar:
@swiss:i agree,but the dark lands are some kind of country or region,so i think more then 40.000 would also be for
our world
for example ghengis khan had a huge army with thousands of soldiers,and the mongolian people just lived in small villages in an area that has propably the same size like the dark lands
Tarrakk Blackhand:
Is there a way to change my vote?
Kera foehunter:
no !! unless you pay off the person that started the pole
Patsy02:
I think you guy are aiming far too low. 10,000 or 40,000 individuals is a minuscule amount of people for an empire that wages wars and does industrial-scale slavery.
If there is any hope for the chaos dwarves to keep any authority, power or any sort of standing army in their fairly large realm there would need to be at least 500,000 of them as someone mentioned before me.
[q]for example ghengis khan had a huge army with thousands of soldiers,and the mongolian people just lived in small villages in an area that has propably the same size like the dark lands [/q]
The mongols were nomadic, and the “villages” were portable. That is the only reason the mongols were able to become a horde. It isn’t really comparable to the chaos dwarves.