[Archive] Who to be the leader of the rebellion against the Chaos Dwarfs?

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Ishkur Cinderhat:

My best guess is that the leader of the BlOrc rebellion was blown to pieces by an Earthshaker grenade. :wink: Or trampled to death by the Chief Centurion of the Bull Centaurs Royal Guard, his name forever removed from all history.

We just would not let anyone get away with such an act of heresy. And we certainly would not send the Black Orcs away with a leader as capable as that.

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Hashut’s Blessing:

I seem to remember it being in fluff that it simply said that due to the higher intelligence of the Black Orcs, they started the rebellion, which to me, implies it was a group.

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Maul:

Even among the Black Orcs there is a respect for strength and martial prowess. The Black Orcs may have led the rebellion, but among them there must have been a leader(s). There is no grantee that the leader survived, but they set in motion the release of slaves that saw black orcs enter the wider world.

One thing is for sure… the black orc(s) in charge did not have an elven name :cheers

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Hashut’s Blessing:

Oh yes, no doubt about that, but it’s quite possible the leader kept changing because they were killed by the others etc etc…

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cornixt:

Grimgor didn't seem too bothered by allying with CDs for Storm of Chaos.

cornixt
Zug? When did that one happen?

As I recall, the earliest known history of Grimgor was him walking out of the blasted wastes* with his boyz already in tow.


dedwrekka
Storm of Chaos happened after he appeared.
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BilboBaggins:

Grimgor allied with the Empire during SOC.

I loved that he blamed the goblins for his previous losses so he kicked them out of his army.

It was the Hobgoblins that caused the greenskin loss during the Black Ork rebellion.

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Filipicusius:

I really like this idea of a black or warboss leading the uprising, maybey someone has the initiative to start an inofficial modeling competition?

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turquois dwarf:

if there were several leaders you could do a model and rules competition and pick the best 5 to be the black orc leaders.

I also think its a good idea to do fluff things like this because then even if GW doesnt support our army it will still grow and develope.

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Kera foehunter:

Yea Grimgor also tryed to allying with us slayers lol

but only to fine are axes!!!

in the storm of chaos

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BilboBaggins:

Yea Grimgor also tryed to allying with us slayers lol
but only to fine are axes!!!
in the storm of chaos

Kera foehunter
I must have missed that one. 'Ard Boys and Slayers on the same side would make most opponents flee in terror.
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Kera foehunter:

no that was a joke he didn’t join us!! sorry bilbo but he did make friend with are axes

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Swissdictator:

Kera you’re a wicked woman! A wicked wicked woman!

Have a slave!

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BilboBaggins:

I played my Chaos Dwarf army against a O&G army with Grimgor in it. It wasn’t pretty. Savage Ork Boyz with a magic banner that allows an extra attack on top of the frenzied Orks and Pigs (25 attacks) ate up a Dwarf Warrior Unit quickly. So he wanted to play again at a lower point level this time 1500 (well he had 1650 because it being greenskin month at GW) so I pulled out the Slayers.

He quit after turn 4 when my doomies ate Wolf Riders, Savage Ork Boar Boyz, Unit of Boyz, another unit of Boyz and a unit of Big 'Uns in that turn. The one unit of boyz was killed by Long Drong and his standard bearer and a doomie that just charged onto their flank. 3 vs 20 remaining Boyz, seems like fair fight to me. The Orks killed 8 of Long Drong’s unit when they charged them, Long Drong and company killed 2 in shooting and 3 in combat the round they were charged.

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dedwrekka:

Grimgor didn't seem too bothered by allying with CDs for Storm of Chaos.

cornixt
Zug? When did that one happen?

As I recall, the earliest known history of Grimgor was him walking out of the blasted wastes* with his boyz already in tow.


dedwrekka
Storm of Chaos happened after he appeared.


cornixt
I know, my two points were entirely separate (probably should have put a line of something in there).

Just that Grimgor didn't ally himself with anyone during SoC, Nemesis Crown was another thing entirely (It was like WWI with all the secret alliances).

My other point was for those debating on Grimgor being the leader that his only known origin is coming out of the Blasted Wastes with his boyz and already being a massive warlord (and a massive BA).
Grimgor allied with the Empire during SOC.

I loved that he blamed the goblins for his previous losses so he kicked them out of his army.

It was the Hobgoblins that caused the greenskin loss during the Black Ork rebellion.

BilboBaggins
Very true about the Hobgoblins, but they had nothing to do with Grimgor's decision. His came about after much contemplating and mutilating a mountainside into the face of gork after he was beaten by Archaon's chief lieutenant's army. At that point he figured out that the little gits were to blame.
He didn't just blame the goblins though. He blamed everyone who didn't meet up to his strict guidelines of being the toughest and meanest group of BAs possible (which included small orcs).

As to allying in SoC. Grimgor didn't ally with anyone, from a fluff perspective anyways. At the outset of SoC, the orcs were the third faction (and as it came about, the Alpha and Omega deciding faction). However, the leading groups of the Disorder side (Many of whom were the disorder "leaders"* of the Eye of Terror Campaign in 40k) POed several of the orc leaders by claiming that they didn't need them to win and with their general overconfidence.
Because of this, the Orcs would mainly post victories against disorder and losses against order (either by being selective with reporting game outcomes, or outright fiction). If you looked at the outcome of the campaign, where they posted the numbers of victories and losses reported while it was still up, the Orcs were the deciding factor in the entirety of the campaign. With both order and disorder numbers being relatively equal (with order on slightly higher ground), the deciding factor came down to who the orcs sided with. Having posted almost half as many victories against disorder as the entirety of order players, they had a mind boggling large part of the campaign that is smoothed over by many recollections of the events due to the outcome and fluff ending.

*"Leaders" of the Eye of Terror Campaign in that they were the primary personalities that picked attacking points and fluff direction. It should be noted that the Orks ignored them entirely during the EoT campaign in favor of savaging their own empire out of the hands of the Imperium.

<-- Blork and proud of it!
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BilboBaggins:

Didn’t the Orc players in Eye of Terror also band together to gain control of a planet for themselves?

Greenskins are always on their own side. From what I remember about SOC web site you could choose Good, Evil or Greenskin.

I was kind of upset that they killed off named characters. Come on having the Warmonger die to a giant falling on him, get real.

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Henroth:

Well, Grimgor and his boys spent years wandering the Chaos Wastes, where time flows differently, so who knows? :cheers

Baggronor
Yes ! exact. He's the that I like to say, this is the first hypothesis.
Grimgor and you group of blacks orcs, after the defeat, travel to The Deserts of Chaos, fighting against kurgans, warriors of chaos, beasts of chaos, demons... etc, during millenniums. The time, hardly him to affect, thanks for the power of Chaos. Huntil that one day, go back the Old World.

The second hypothesis to be the that so Ishkur Cinderhat, that the anonymous Black Orc leader, to death to hands of the Chaos Dwarfs.

The third hypothesis to be the of one group of blacks orcs boss. Somes to death in battle, and the rest he escaped from The Darks Lands.

Wath a surprise! it looks like that I have discovered one part of the history of the Chaos Dwarfs :cheers

Can to be useful for the zone Wiki of the web.
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Filipicusius:

I am going to make a competition for this orc boss, the winner will be awarded the rest of my slaves.

(Sponsor me anyone? ^^)

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cornixt:

I have to confess to always being a bit confused about what was going in in SoC, especially at the end.

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dedwrekka:

I have to confess to always being a bit confused about what was going in in SoC, especially at the end.

cornixt
The end was a bit of a flop. Because of the existence of a third, and thus deciding, faction and it being a story based campaign, GW really had little choice when Disorder couldn't even make it past the first towns*. They had to push the story in order to get the campaign to move anywhere. Which ended up proving that a linear, story based campaign doesn't work with the type of victory system they were using. I was very active durring SoC and EoT, and had inroads with both sides (The "how to defeat" tacticas that order players were pushing out were amazing), so I was able to get a good viewpoint of the whole battle.

*Boshenfels will live forever as having held the tide of disorder for the entire campaign until it was killed off in fluff since it couldn't die in practice.

------------------------(There, I remembered to separate them this time)

As to Grimgor wandering the Chaos Wastes, there's nothing to say that he's even been in them. Grimgor's Waaagh! has him coming out of the Dark Lands directly (Page 13 O&G 7th edition).
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Hobgoblyn:

My best guess is that the leader of the BlOrc rebellion was blown to pieces by an Earthshaker grenade. ;) Or trampled to death by the Chief Centurion of the Bull Centaurs Royal Guard, his name forever removed from all history.

We just would not let anyone get away with such an act of heresy. And we certainly would not send the Black Orcs away with a leader as capable as that.

Ishkur Cinderhat
Or the leaders could have been taken out by Hobgoblin assassin's poison from the rear. It'd be hard to imagine what other betrayal the Hobgoblins could have enacted to undermine the Black Orc's plan to such a degree. It certainly wasn't a frontal assault.