Skink:
I'm wondering if finecast will be the "must have" thing in 10-20 years because so few people like it right now and it becomes collectable.It might be, provided that models aren't warped in any way. Which are hardly so. Otherwise I can't think at any scenario where people ask tons of $$$ for poorly casted miniatures.
cornixt
Admiral:
Finecast is not a good resin and Games Workshop’s hypocrisy about it made it come off in the worst possible light. However, I’ll say one thing in this soon-to-be-gone material’s favour.
It’s easier to convert than metal models.
Of course, Russian Alternative will soon have conquered the expensive Hobgoblin niche with Rozmax’ extremely nice models.
torn:
I have to admit I much prefer metals for painting. Converting is fine as long as you don’t want to keep the bits you cut off.
I can remember when they released their special white metal. That was a good excuse for price rises. This finecast thing has been a farce, with no reason for it other than to increase prices. As an example, I bought a metal terminator librarian for about £7. It now costs £15 in resin. For less than that I got a whole dwarf artillery battery from Scotia grendel, and for not a lot more I got a stug 3 from die waffenkammer in 28mm which is 5 times the size of a marine and the quality is the best of all resin models I’ve ever seen. Its unbelievable that backyard operations can beat the biggest miniature producer in price and quality.
Then again, you can get 4 ww2 metal troops for less than a fiver from loads of people, that’s gw,s price for imperial guard 15 years ago.
Zuh-Khinie:
Nope, I already have 60 of the little blighters.
French_noodle:
Never ever ever.
Finecast is absolute crap. Close your fist on a plastice mini, you may break very small parts, but you’ll more probably hurt yourself a little before. Close it on a finecast model and you have food for birds (well, it’s not nice, but it will look like it could be used as food for birds…)
Resin, from whatever brand, comes with issues, that’s the way it is. FW does not make the best resin, but it is acceptable though very pricey. Finecast is not. Actually, you would have to buy them again each summer because they would warp under the heat! I even saw a few finecast models breaking spontaneously on the table, without being touched at all! They just exploded like they were possessed, probably because an air bublle was captured inside and took a bit more time to make its way out, i guess… Pretty funny by the way…
Besides, if GW makes finecast hobgobs, they will be almost as expensive as ebay metal hobgobs. It may even make prices lower a little bit on ebay for old metal models so why buy finecast ?
No, i have only bought one finecast, a Lamasu, just for the sake of it. Painted it, put it on a cool base with its front leg in the air, and 6 months later he was touching the ground. Never again. Finecast is nothing but a steal.
I’m wondering if finecast will be the “must have” thing in 10-20 years because so few people like it right now and it becomes collectableI’d rather think that some models that only existed in Finecast versions, and were pretty cool, will totally disapear and maybe get their value a bit high. But i don’t see myself buying a bubble-golem 30£ in ten years, even if it’s the last model i’m missing in an army.
Skink:
Resin, from whatever brand, comes with issues, that's the way it is.That's a broad statement. I painted a few Raging Heroes minis for a private costumer and I can tell you, that resin is super. Nothing to compare to Finecr*p. It's super resistant, holds details pretty smoothly, it's not bendy yet not so brittle that cracks or explodes when touching the ground (and I drop my miniatures regularly ;P). The models are even shipped without any trace of mould release (ok, ok, Finecr*p does the same). If small companies can develop this level of casting I wonder how in %$@#* GW didn't manage to do so.
French_noodle
Bitterman:
No, i have only bought one finecast, a Lamasu, just for the sake of it. Painted it, put it on a cool base with its front leg in the air, and 6 months later he was touching the ground. Never again. Finecast is nothing but a steal.Funnily enough, I took my Lammasu out of its drawer for the first time in a year or so the other day and found exactly the same as you: where it used to be leaping forward off the base with claws in the air, now it's plummeting downward into it - front claws on the ground.
French_noodle
Bloodbeard:
I even saw a few finecast models breaking spontaneously on the table, without being touched at all! They just exploded like they were possessed, probably because an air bublle was captured inside and took a bit more time to make its way out, i guess.... Pretty funny by the way...How can a company sell stuff like that? Insane! Most have been a pretty hard thing seeing your large highest standard painted monsters exploding! ... If only it happened the minute somebody got of Flames of Azgorh!
French_noodle
cornixt:
They are already paying vast amounts for poorly sculpted stuff from the 80s.I'm wondering if finecast will be the "must have" thing in 10-20 years because so few people like it right now and it becomes collectable.It might be, provided that models aren't warped in any way. Which are hardly so. Otherwise I can't think at any scenario where people ask tons of $$$ for poorly casted miniatures.
cornixt
Skink
snowblizz:
If small companies can develop this level of casting I wonder how in %$@#* GW didn't manage to do so.
Skink
How can a company sell stuff like that? Insane!Because they can.
Bloodbeard
On the other hand I WOULD buy Hobbos from Forgeworld,
Skink
Add to that the twenty or so air bubbles that I had to fill when I first assembled it (mostly in its teeth; I had to resculpt most of its mouth) and, yeah, no, I'm not buying Finecast again.
Bitterman
Skink:
Hold on there. One thing is selling low quality stuff. Another is praising it as the new genetically-improved/sacred-graal material that will revolutionize the casting process. I mean, a customer expects a certain level of quality from a company that has sold him miniatures for a very long time. Especially because in these days people are buying from other companies more regularly than 20 years ago, therefore it's very easy to make comparisons. I think that Finecast really brought Citadel a huge headache which would have been very easy to avoid.If small companies can develop this level of casting I wonder how in %$@#* GW didn't manage to do so.
SkinkHow can a company sell stuff like that? Insane!Because they can.
Bloodbeard
And the reason they can is below:On the other hand I WOULD buy Hobbos from Forgeworld,
SkinkAdd to that the twenty or so air bubbles that I had to fill when I first assembled it (mostly in its teeth; I had to resculpt most of its mouth) and, yeah, no, I'm not buying Finecast again.
Bitterman
snowblizz
UktabiWildcat:
I would buy plastic re-releases or metal hobgoblins, but i will never buy finecast anything, ever.
snowblizz:
Finally, my comment above refers to Forgeworld resin (had only a few minor problems with it, and they shipped me all broken bits), definitely NOT Finecr*p.And yet you are still buying from GW. As are others. Not to mention the ones "fixing" the "quality" product. This is the problem. Right up there with "GW is sooo expensive, I'll buy Forgeworld instead, teach them a lesson".
Skink
Admiral:
For wanted models of a kind only available from GW I’ll of course throw my money at them due to lack of competitors offering those kind of models. Their price rises (and maybe also declining WD) have encouraged me turn increasingly to alternative producers, but an all-out boycott is out of the question. GW has in my experience done nothing to warrant such a thing. Good thing I got warned about “Finecast” in time and have kept away from it.
Bitterman:
Every person fixing an airbubble on a Finecast is another acceptance of GW's view that customers don't mean crap and are just walking wallets.Not really. I bought one Finecast figure, fixed the bubbles because it was less hassle to do so than sending it back[/I], then vowed never to buy another Finecast model again. The amount of money I've given GW in the last five years has plummeted from thousands of pounds annually to near-zero. Tell me how that makes me a "walking wallet"... just because I bought one Finecast model and didn't return it.
snowblizz
snowblizz:
I know, and it's terribly frustrating that it is this way.
Not really. I bought one Finecast figure, fixed the bubbles because it was less hassle to do so than sending it back,
Bitterman
then vowed never to buy another Finecast model again. The amount of money I've given GW in the last five years has plummeted from thousands of pounds annually to near-zero. Tell me how that makes me a "walking wallet"... just because I bought one Finecast model and didn't return it.Because GW managed to get away with selling a defective product.
Bitterman
I still buy Forge World models because... y'know... they're good. Expensive, yes, but good. But I'm not buying FW because GW is too expensive; I think you just made that up because I don't think anyone says that. Nobody says that.Except I've seen that exact sentiment posted here even. Some were even Australians where it kind of makes sense. "FW CD look quite affordable compared to what they charge for a plastic miniature nowadays".
Bitterman
Admiral:
They’re also facing dropping sales and in the end dropping profits because they take this “easy” route, whether or not we let them. There are pain thresholds for everything, and GW’s price policy is not kind to the company’s long term success so to speak.
MadHatter:
As per title, would you? Take GW's current price levels into account before answering.My own army project is a little special as I want every model to be from the 90's but I would certainly buy atleast 40 finecast hobgoblins and 2 command groups to go with them, initially. Getting these on ebay in the required numbers is a slow and financially disastrous process.
With FW as of yet unwilling to put out an expensive horde unit in resin it could make some sense for GW to cash in on this by putting out their old Hobgobbos in Finecast on the market, though it would be only a miniscule income source.
Admiral
Bitterman:
Because GW managed to get away with selling a defective product.Yes. One. For twenty quid or something. And as a result missed out on the hundreds of pounds a year I used to spend on metal models, but refuse to spend on Finecast.
snowblizz
Skink:
And yet you are still buying from GW. As are others. Not to mention the ones "fixing" the "quality" product. This is the problem. Right up there with "GW is sooo expensive, I'll buy Forgeworld instead, teach them a lesson".I never said anything about price hikes. I'd spend money for a decent miniature, because I enjoy painting it. I don't care who's the manifacturer, I just want to get what I payed for. Now, GW's plastic miniatures are the best on the market IMHO, wheter Finecast is the complete opposite. Therefore no, I wouldn't buy Finecast Hogoblin heads, not because they would be manifactured by GW or because they would be sold for ridicoulous prices, but rather because of the poor material employed in the casting process. That was the reason of my rant.
snowblizz