Nicodemus' Forge of Unfinished Business

Some new 4th Ed Chaos Dwarfs finished up by the seaside. LOL Apologies for the substandard movement tray :wink:


I only have a couple of units of Chaos Dwarfs that don’t contain unit fillers… with over 100 metal 4th Ed Warriors and Command, and 255 plastic Warriors, adding unit fillers makes for significantly more units overall. For a 20-model unit, after 4 units (each with a 2x2 unit filler) there’s enough left over models for a whole additional “20 model unit” :wink:

My next unit fillers are going to use my old 3rd edition Chaos Dwarf warmachine models: Bazooka Team, Mortar, and Swivel Gun. ON their own they’re looking pretty small these days, but they seem to work nicely as unit fillers for both Warriors and Blunderbuss nuts.


~N

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Back in the heady days of 2010 (July 10, 2010 to be precise) we saw the release of Warhammer Fantasy 8th Edition and I got my hands on the gorgeous collector’s edition of the rule book.

There-in lay all sorts of amazing details and inspiration for years to come. Chief among these were the Dwarf Thunderbarge and the Chaos Dwarf-constructed Doom Engine siege towers.

Those were inspiration for my own airship and siege tower builds for my Chaos Dwarf army that can be seen in the first image in my blog:

For a very long time, however, I’ve wanted to go back and study those Doom Engines a little more closely. Had I done this back in 2010 this may have been easier as the images that are still available on-line are few and far between. Nevertheless I’ve scoured the corners for the Internet for the past few weeks and have assembled everything here.

The big introduction to the Doom Engines were in the massive diorama spread over 4-pages in the 8th edition rule book: Bloodbath at Volganof


(if anyone wants a larger copy just PM me, the source image I have for this is 17625x6082 pixels)

The Doom Engines were built by the renegade Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer of the Forge, Hothgar and it was written that the powerful machines were rare and highly prized for their ability to grind over fortifications and disgorge legions of troops.. oh yes please!!!

The majority of the diorama was on display at Games Day UK on September 26 of 2010 as well, although it was renamed to the Siege of Altdorf for the event. To our great benefit a blogger at the time (ifelix.co.uk) made live-updates to their site (here and here) and followed it up later with additional photos from lots more angles. Here they are for reference:

OK, so let’s zero-in on the siege towers…


Oops, not that one… although I am jealous of the 3rd tier on the Juggernaut!

Here are the Doom Engines, up close and personal and in the best quality I could get:

From the 8th Ed rulebook:

From ifelix.net:

I’m not the best at picking out parts, but there’s a few I think I can identify…
From the top, the upper-most level on at least one of them clearly has Chaos Warrior shields and what looks to be Night Goblin spears pointing straight upward (see the 8th Ed rulebook rules page for the best view).

Some parts are clearly not based on Games Workshop kits, so we’re not going to source everything from there. While the large skulls on the front look like they may have come from the Skullvane Manse, I don’t think these are the source. They look quite different around the teeth and eye sockets - plus it’d be a lot of work to hog out all that thick plastic from the tower walls to free up the front of the skull faces for this. I was also thinking the bay windows from the Skullvane Manse might be what was used on the sides of the Doom Engines, but again, they’re close but not the same design, although there are a few more Chaos Warrior shields on the outer portions that can be seen.

^So I don’t think it’s any of these pieces.

Of the identifiable skulls on the front of the Doom Engines there are definitely a few of the flat skull decoration pieces from the Arcane Ruins set.

So far not too hard to source some of these parts as kits are either still available or were available recently (i.e. Arcane Ruins with the release of ToW).

Moving on down to the lower portion now. The large front wheels are definitely the wheel components of the Skaven Doomwheel kit. Using them in this way the kit effectively comes with two wheels (these are the same ones I used on my siege engine). The kit just requires scraping away the Skaven symbols on the wheel treads and putting some plasticard sheets inside the wheel to give it a solid look. I have no idea what the smaller rear wheels were made from - if anyone can identify them definitely post a response!!

The large cylinders that connect to the pistons on the side of one of the Doom Engines are from the Orc Battlewagon (since renamed to the “Bonebreaka” now for some reason)… but still available!! The pistons are also attached to the front wheels using the spiked circular attachment end intended for the Deff Rolla (that’s the spiked cylinder), but it’s offset to the piston can drive the wheel, and it’s attached to the circular attachment piece that usually goes into the end of the Deff Rolla, which is a nice use of the same kit pieces. You can also see on the other Doom Engine that doesn’t have the pistons that there’s a recessed gear mechanism (scratch built maybe??), but the large front wheel still has the same spiked ‘hub cap’ piece from the kit, matching the other Doom Engine wheel design.

The Deff Rolla piece can be found, only very slightly dissimilar, on MyMiniFactory.com for pretty cheap.

OK, that’s all I was able to identify. I think with 3D printing many suitable replacement components can be sourced at no-cost, or at very low cost, with the rest of the effort coming from good old fashioned scratch building with plasticard and the like.

Hope some folk found this useful and maybe even inspirational!! I’m not saying I’m building a Doom Engine. But I’m also not saying that I’m not saying that…
~N

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Perhaps one more follow-up with identifying components for the Chaos Dwarf Doom Engine siege towers…

First is this view of the Doom Engine from the 8th Ed rulebook. No major discoveries here, but these small pieces in blue are the chains from the Chaos Marine upgrade sprue for the 4K Rhino kit and the spiked support arms in purple are the support arms from the Ork Battlewagon Deff Rolla sprue (both shown below)

Next up is this view of the second Doom Engine and I finally clued in to the small hatches on the sides of the towers after looking more closely at the wooden top of this second tower - it’s the old Siege Tower Kit (components like the side walls, platforms, ladders, etc. are highlighted in green and blue)!! Highlighted in purple are additional pieces from the Chaos Marine upgrade sprue again (shown above).

So I think this is the majority of components at this stage! Sadly there are no photos of the interior or direct-on rear views, although it doesn’t look like there’s anything else significant that we’re missing at this stage to recreate one of these!

If anyone recognizes the cannons protruding from the faces of this second Doom Engine definitely post :hatoff:

~N

<<edit, 1-month later>>
I have identified the large skulls on the front of the Doom Engine - they’re terrain pieces from the Warhammer Temple of Skulls kit that was released June 20th, 2009.

The base of the terrain has these large skulls embedded into it, and it’s likely possible that some of these could be liberated, but each kit did come with 3 of these skulls as separate pieces.

You can see from the reference picture of the Doom Engines that each one has 9 of these skulls on the front, making this a daunting effort to replicate now that the kit is no longer sold!

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Nicodemus’ Musings on the Nature of Doom Engines.

To know the mind of a renegade Chaos Dwarf Sorcerer of the Forge, like Hothgar, is not without its risks. Stare not for long into the baleful heart of the twisted machinations of any of the great Forgemasters, lest ye too be driven mad with infernal desire and malicious intent!

Taking measurements from reference photos requires some planning and lots of corrections. Even with the best methods there needs to be multiple points of internal reference to get the best results. Fortunately we know exactly what kits were used for many of the parts and some of the photos even show miniatures on standard sized bases, making it trivial to measure. Unfortunately getting exact reference measurements for the Warhammer Siege Tower isn’t possible without the actual kit as the size doesn’t seem to be recorded anywhere online that I could find. Nevertheless, https://minicompare.info/ remains a highly useful tool during the long dark hours of the night!!

Here’s the work-in-progress pictures and the final results in the event anyone would like a workable template for getting started:

And if these designs weren’t your cup of tea I will leave you with this:

(as originally linked to the forum by Oxymandias in Nov of 2020).
~N

Edit Oct 13, 2025: Updated final photo of measurements to include a couple of missing dimensions from the lower front of the side panel. No more guess work now.

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Very cool siege tower and Helsmiths write-ups. :flexed_biceps:

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Latest little project may not initially seem like it is Chaos Dwarf related… and may border on sacrilege to some - unbinding of the Collectors’ Edition version of the Warhammer Fantasy Battles 8th Edition rulebook:

To separate the glue layer I brought out the big guns and mounted the pages without the covers on my table saw sled, clamped down by 2x4 to hold the glue binding parallel with the blade. I then cut through the glue and binding and removed maybe at most a millimeter of paper.

Once it’s unbound here’s what we have:

Now that we’re at this stage there’s an opportunity to scavenge some excellent material for gaming room posters! They’ll need to be properly aligned and mounted, but we’re in good shape here.

Now here’s why we’re really here… oh yes!!


And the real paydirt:

Winter is coming… there’s worse places to be than out in our heated woodshop making picture frames. I’ve had good luck with making a few in the past and really enjoyed it. My first ones now oversee my painting station :wink:

~N

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Has been a busy 6+ months at the forge. Now that the current contest is behind us I can post where all my time went, starting with the infantry.

First up is assembling the infantry to accompany the DoomEngines into battle. It’s a real mix of models, but I tried to maximize pieces that needed repairing as well as ones that needed to be stripped instead of dipping into completed blocks of infantry that are simply unpainted.

I also had a decent sized block of Blunderbuss models that I mixed some command and unit fillers into, although I definitely didn’t have time to paint these after getting them prepped.

Sorting the blocks of primed infantry. I also felt that the Warriors needed a much bigger banner for the size of the unit.

I magnetized all of the models in each unit and used large fridge magnet sheets on the tray. Because these were mostly 4th Ed metal models the trays needed reinforcing with 1mm thick strips underneath to prevent the tray from folding in half!

Photos of smaller groups of the finished models.

Now for the DoomEngines. I’ve been waiting these since 2011 when I saw them in the 8th Ed rulebook. Using my measurements (see earlier post from 2025) I made a paper template of the side-on view, overlayed the pieces of the original Citad el siege towers, and then cut the remaining pieces from plasticard. I made all the pieces in duplicate as I went so that the base shape of each would be accurate.

Preparing the Skaven doom wheels and trimming off the Skaven symbols. I also needed lots of copies of the Skulls from the Temple of Skulls kit so I made a mold for casting.

Several nights in and I’m assembling the pieces… plus the mold is finally ready!

Checking dimensions with 25mm bases, to make sure my measurement estimates were correct - they’re good! I tried not to be 3D printing these things, but the smaller skulls with the cannon barrels on the second tower required some crafty customization.

Checking the spacings on the base for the obscene “unit fillers”:

Reinforcing the insides, adding additional floors, and ensuring that the floors are sitting level.

Further assembling, casting and reinforcing those Skaven wheels once I realized how much weight they’d need to hold with the towers filled with metal models! The skulls are looking rough, but they’ll get cleaned up later with the Dremel.

OK, that takes us through the first month… more to come.
~N

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Dear God man, what a project! Mindblowing scale. Wonderful stuff.

Yeah, you had my vote as soon as I saw this. The towers were clean, hands down, but it’s the blocks of figures that blows my mind. I feel like I’m accomplished because I got a few groups of 10 or 15 figures sorted since I joined, and here you churn out what seems to be hundreds of Chorfs and cool conversions in the same time. LOL It’s a skill I don’t have for sure.

Great job Nicodemus. I’m in awe of your workshop (cause everyone knows, you have to have a squad of gobbos with paintbrushes to get that much done! LOL) :smiley:

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Continuation of the DoomEngine project for AC XLI

Finalizing the wheels and covering the floors with textured plasticard.

… and it’s not a proper Chaos Dwarf project until blood has been spilled during the forging!!

Making a taurus design from a stencil a made in PowerPoint for the siege tower platforms

Making the upper platforms - adding more textured flooring and covering the exterior in Chaos Warrior shields, as per the source photos for one of the engines.

While still intentionally avoiding the 3D printer for this project I reluctantly had to go back to it after failing to find any good skull options for the front of the Doom Engines… and my sculpting skulls are not up to the job at this scale! I got it trimmed down and framed the upper support for the platform.

More work on the upper platforms and getting the large skulls situated.

I spent 4-5 nights bashing apart thick pieces of plasticard to get the weathered metal plate look for the body of the towers. I cut random sizes from multiple different thickness pieces and scraps and then used two large rocks: one had a flat surface for the plasticard to sit on and I hammered the other rock into the plastic on both sides until it looked suitable for use. I combined this with a few newer plates, particularly ones underneath that would be protected from the worst of the exterior damage. I also started using Milliput to seal the smaller skulls onto the irregular surface of the front and I used some of it watered down to smooth out the print lines after sanding.

Interior pieces - Again not super happy, but 3D printing saved me from having to raid Necromunda kits for internal pipes and engine parts. None of the sizes fit quite right so I had to make spacers and fill gaps with Milliput.

Making the structures for the sides from leftover components of the siege towers, just like the original DoomEngine source photos!

Of course ladders are needed for accessing the various levels, and those structures on the side that the Chaos Dwarfs fire from needed suitable Chaos Dwarf-sized doorways to access the structures from within.

Getting the remaining skulls affixed to the front and sealing around the edges with more Milliput so they’re seamless.

Side view of the pistons for the large front wheels.

Lots of skipped steps here and limited photo evidence for lots of the build, unfortunately. I’m sure I also took photos of the weapon and armour racks that go inside each one, but I’m not finding any of the pics now!! I’ll need to dig them out and get some photographic proof for the final installment of images.
~N

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The as-eluded to final series of photos.

First the infantry. The water slide decals are all homemade.

There’s 140 models total. All original Citadel models, no 3D prints or recasts. The only non-Citadel model is the Sorcerer on the palanquin at the front, he’s from Do-Odd Miniatures, which had a short production run 17 years ago. Fun fact… one of the guys carrying him, the one to the left in the photo, has a burning Hashut symbol on his hammer - the Hashut symbol is from the massive sheet of etched brass pieces I made and was one of my very early posts on CDO back in 2010. I’ve still got a bunch of these in the bitz box! :hatoff: And m3lvin’s Daemonsmith that’s featured on the banner is this unit was also one of the pieces I etched in brass and still have the parts for!

DoomEngine weapon racks and the simple control panels for driving the war machines into battle!

Side views of the finished DoomEngines.

Some interior and top views of each one.

Interior shots with the weapon racks and controls in place.

Extra views of the front of the two DoomEngines.

And then the final shots from setup for the competition…

I finally have my two DoomEngines to go along with my land train. If only I still had my airship the vision from 15+ years ago for my Chaos Dwarf army would be complete! Maybe some day…
~N

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I mean, what can be said about this? Epic. Crazy. Mad. Awesome.

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Speechless. Just incredible.

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I love the massive scale of your entry. How well you scratch-built those towers is amazing- very professional. So many details were lost in the 4 photos allowed for your entry, but you have now shown in all its glory here. Amazing.

Airship mk2 coming in a year or two then!

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Damn! 130 models and the towers… Damn…:dotted_line_face: :astonished_face: :smiley: Your next project now has to be that airbomber from the Total War WH III mod. Who needs some freakin’ balloon when you can have a flying platform that has 20 cannons on it and drops bombs blowing up redonk units of greenskins! You may as well add a warp portal to summon huge flying bulls 50 at a time. Put a few turrets on it too with multiple shot gattling guns and call them dragon busters… Elf blood no longer is a rare commodity… Just remember the sacrifices of the blue Dawi Zharr of Karakh Ddukk, we suffered the cold and snow of Kislev to bring you Ungi women to trade to far off Araby and Ind, so you could have rare commodities in exchange. :smiley:

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