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Pyro Stick:

I dont really like this model either. The skull on his head looks like a chicken head. I would have much preferred a helmet/hat so that i could actually see his face/head. The weapon looks fairly poor as well. It should have been much more menacing looking, like AoW’s. Also like Avatars of War, it probably would of been beneficial for scribor to have asked our opinion on the WIP.

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Tarrakk Blackhand:

Yeah, maybe you’re right So.Sad. Save the figure building lesson for another topic.

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Canix:

As i said before IMO this is a poor sculpt.I think others have made clear the reasons for this .Good that a CD has been released but dont miss this

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Tarrakk Blackhand:

The elephant is a poor sculpt? Yeah…I agree. needs more peanuts! LOL!

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Kera foehunter:

omg i must be still drunk i see a pink elephant!!!

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Tarrakk Blackhand:

(Has a swig of Kera’s rum)

Oh yeah…I see it too! LOL!

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Kera foehunter:

hey get you own elephant mr t

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Tarrakk Blackhand:

I would…but your rum makes me see them.

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dedwrekka:

Is it a cool sculpt? Yeah.
Is it detailed? Yes.
Do I think it’s the best that can be done? Dunno, give it some time.

I’m still going to buy it and I’m still going to learn from it. I honestly don’t care if a sculptor reuses some techniquies. As someone who’s trying to learn himself, I reuse plenty. I can also say that Scibor offers good advice on his site, which is hard to find for sculpting. I agree with the “put up, or shut up” on non-constructive critisism though. You can have an opinion, but you can still be constructive about it. Tommy H gave some reasons for why he disliked it, but also used it to imply that the sculptor is incapable. Which I feel is very unfair. You don’t have to do better to have an opinion, but to have a strong unfair opinion (such as someone being incapable to do something, or “sucks” at it) you’d better be able to give good advice as to how to fix it.

Oh, and if you look at the banner on his site, I think you can see the tall-hatted dwarfs.

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wallacer:

I think it’s alright and i’d be quite happy to use it. I don’t think it’s any worse than the Twisted Tales, Reaper or some of the Rackham Dwarfs I use in my CD army.

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Obsidian:

Yeah Scibor sucks man, he can’t sculpt!:rolleyes:

The legs you say? Hmm, they must be wrong on these also?



Not using an armature? Hmm, I must gifted because I clearly see one here:



Later!

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so.sad:

Oh, and if you look at the banner on his site, I think you can see the tall-hatted dwarfs.

dedwrekka
wtf, these are genious!
I'll need a unit of those.
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Kera foehunter:

those are some nice greens

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Thommy H:

You can have an opinion, but you can still be constructive about it. Tommy H gave some reasons for why he disliked it, but also used it to imply that the sculptor is incapable. Which I feel is very unfair. You don't have to do better to have an opinion, but to have a strong unfair opinion (such as someone being incapable to do something, or "sucks" at it) you'd better be able to give good advice as to how to fix it.
Actually, I'm perfectly entitled to think whatever the hell I like. Scibor sucks. The end.

Obsidian:

The heads seem to be balanced rather precariously on the shoulders of the models in the first picture. I'm not denying they're better than his other greens, but there's still superior work out there.

The second picture is too WIP to pass judgement on. It looks okay, but I'm still not convinced about the anatomy.

Hey, he's getting better, but he still has a long way to go, and I think the issue here is that people tend to look past his limitations as a sculptor and think "OMG CHAOS DWARFS" as if there aren't dozens of manufacturers out there producing better ranges of evil Dwarfs. Scibor has cornered a curious little fanboy market, whereby he exposes 40K and Warhammer gamers who don't even know other miniature ranges exist to his conversions, and then weans them onto his questionable sculpts. Because he comes at sculpting from the "conversion" angle, his customers forgive more basic lapses - I said already that, if this was a scratch build that someone posted, I'd have been quite impressed. Scibor sets himself up to be judged against the masses who use green stuff to sculpt a little bit of fur or fill a gap instead of actual professional sculptors. I'm not saying he does this with malice, btw, he might even be a nice guy (although I've seen close up photos of the conversions he sells and it's probably safe to say that he isn't exactly interested in customer care) but this is just the way it is. He gets too much credit.
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Swissdictator:

I’m liking the work he has done on the historicals. They’re looking nice, and are far beyond my talent either that or I have self esteem issues.

Those do look nice. :cheers

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clam:

The arbiter’s of taste has spoken - and I think it pretty obvious to all now, that Tommy H do not like Scibor/Scibor’s work.

And yes, we are all entitled to say/think what ever we want - but please, don’t turn this into a personal vendetta.

But for those with a bad taste - here are the big hats from the banner at Scibor’s



And they look awesome to my - untrained - eyes :wink:

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so.sad:

Actually, I'm perfectly entitled to think whatever the hell I like. Scibor sucks. The end.

Thommy H

Scibor has cornered a curious little fanboy market, whereby he exposes 40K and Warhammer gamers who don't even know other miniature ranges exist to his conversions, and then weans them onto his questionable sculpts.


Tommy H
well, now you lost it, don't you think? While all your previous statements where somewhat besed on facts (that can actually be proved) you now sadly put yourself in the same corner as all the other "scibor sucks, my opinion is right" guys out there. Has he insulted you with something or why are you acting up this way?
Hey, he's getting better, but he still has a long way to go, and I think the issue here is that people tend to look past his limitations as a sculptor and think "OMG CHAOS DWARFS" as if there aren't dozens of manufacturers out there producing better ranges of evil Dwarfs.  

Tommy H
link?
I'm not saying he does this with malice, btw, he might even be a nice guy (although I've seen close up photos of the conversions he sells and it's probably safe to say that he isn't exactly interested in customer care) but this is just the way it is. He gets too much credit.

Tommy H
proof?

If you start accusing people you're better able to show proof you're right. Else you could probably find yourself accused of defamation pretty fast.

let me get this right. I'm not a Scibor "fanboy". I agree, some of his work really sucks, remember these:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/214420 too much stampwork, looking terrible
http://www.coolminiornot.com/214410 why are there lion heads all over? totally destroying the miniature
http://www.coolminiornot.com/213771 a rat head? please not. And what is this thing comming out of his breast?

but this doesn't mean that scibor sucks in general. Some of his work is really great and nowhere does he state he thinks of himself as the best modeller out there. By your reasoning everyone who is not the best of his kind would suck. I don't agree. What he does is undoubtly better then most of us could do, so how can he suck?
Truth is he does not suck. Surely he is not the best modeller out there, I agree that there are many others who do miniatures much better.
Still, if there are people who like his miniatures (even the terrible ones) he is as entitled to sell them and to get credit as you are entitled to don't like them.
Of course you are entitled to think whatever you want. As long as you keep it to specific pieces of his work you can also say whatever you like. Even better if you can proof you points like you did in your previous posts (which I very much respect). But as soon as you start to generalise you need to show proof or you just sound jealous!

edit: damn, clam was faster and said everything I meant much shorter...

edit2: I just got word from scibor about the upcomming miniatures and I must say I am really really excited right now and can hardly wait till there is more information next week. If you like at least some of his miniatures and are a CD fan, then you should be excited, too!
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Thommy H:

I’m not going to have an argument about this. I don’t like his work, which is exactly what I said from the beginning. It’s fine if you disagree - you’re as much entitled to your opinion as I am mine, and I’m not going to debate it. All I can offer is a justification for why I feel the way I do. You can take it personally, or you can move on.

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so.sad:

I'm not going to have an argument about this. I don't like his work, which is exactly what I said from the beginning. It's fine if you disagree - you're as much entitled to your opinion as I am mine, and I'm not going to debate it. All I can offer is a justification for why I feel the way I do. You can take it personally, or you can move on.

Thommy H
I surely won't take anything personal (and hope you don't do, either). This is an internet Forum so this applies:



:cheers

I am still interested to the other evil dwarf miniature ranges you mentioned above, since I didn't found any yet
(this is not to proof you wrong but the eventually find some new dwarfs for me)
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cornixt:

Can we get this back on topic please, I think Thommy has made his opinion clear and there’s no need to keep on about it.