Yeah, I have most units anyway, and this is my second Chaos Dwarf army. Might as well have a tournament version available to me. 
All aboard the grease train! 
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List built around one unit block. How does it work for You?
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I expect some 2000 games soon (we played around 1750 so far) and I was thinking what to take.
My safest choice is 2nd Iron Daemonā¦ I still think Centaurs are not very good. I see some lists with blunderbusses. I must say I find those the best weapon for dwarf infantry myself. So upgrading my IG block to 20+ with razer banner is sounds fun too.
BSB with Lammasu beard is very expensive but also both thinking about.
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Hello everyone!
Just joined after lurking for a while - appreciate all the input everyone has been putting together, itās been very inspirational to get everyoneās various takes.
Just off a 12 man tournament where I managed to place 2nd, though, I was lucky enough to avoid the cheekiest armies (Bret Exiles and Mortuary Cults).
Did battle against Dwarfs, Skaven and Warriors of Chaos.
That tournament I decided to take a 21 man block of Blunders as core and they did alright. I was very fortunate in Games 1 & 3 that I rolled 3x shots anytime to shoot, but even with all those output of shots, on their own, they had a really hard time getting through those armor saves.
I think Blunders really need to have a Razor Standard and/or a Elementalism Prophet with Plague of Rush to help push wounds through, especially with them only being Str 3.
I also think Blunders or Shield only IG are my preferred way to run them - the former being the most impactful in the game, and the latter just being the most efficient.
Not super sold on Fireglaives, which is disappointing because seems they have potential, but only having BS3 is painful 
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Hello, welcome, and GZ on placing 2nd! 
Did you roll once per volley to decide how many shots were fired? Youāre supposed to roll D3 for each model 
Absolutely agree! As you mention they have abysmal BS, and also M and range of the guns themselves, so they need all the help they can getā¦
They arenātā¦ Good. I give my 10-12 IG Fire glaives for them to have something to do. It offers them a little bit of long range threat, which I can oversell to my opponent a bit 
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I agree. I have painted 12 FG and used them once. Blunderbusses are more fun but I also agree Razer banner is great. If You shoot something You wound on 3, -3 AP is great! Also - it works in CC and they are S4 in CC.
Elementalism would be perfect and if You have a prophet on foot to join them then it is even better. Or BSB with lammasuās beard.
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Oooooof welp, neither myself, the TO, or any of my opponents caught that regarding the Blunderbusses. 
Luckily they didnāt end up doing anything too game changing, but man that last line of the rule changes a lot in the way those are rolled out.
I want IG with Glaives to be good, but thet seem overpriced for what they do. I feel like if there were maybe a point cheaper it might be worth it.
What are thoughts about a sorcerer prophet on foot? I feel like not taking a lammy or a Taurus really hurts in terms of our armyās maneuverability this unit, I can actually make a further impact on the board
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I like his in a big unit of infantry.
Guys!
Throw some ideas for a list with 15-20+ blunderbusses! I can go something like Bale Taurus, Wyvern, Khan with ring, 15ish IG with Razer banner, few cutthroats, 2 IGā¦ And this is it. Few unitsā¦ I still have problems finding value in bigger number of dropsā¦ Hmmā¦
Itās immensely fun to bring him on a flying carpet (that 360Ā° vision arc 
), but he can also do well ons foots in the blunderbuss unit
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Forgot about a carpet. I have used him like this and it is a very good choice!
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This is my 2k list ideas:
2x Iron Daemon
++ Characters [942 pts] ++
Sorcerer-Prophet [445 pts]
(Darkforged weapon, Heavy armour, Level 4 Wizard, General, Bale Taurus, Talisman of Protection, Armour of Meteoric Iron, Daemonology)
Black Orc Warboss [354 pts]
(Great weapon, Full plate armour, Wyvern, Trollhide Trousers, Effigy Of Mork, Enchanted Shield)
Hobgoblin Khan [94 pts]
(Hand weapon, Throwing weapons, Great weapon, Light armour, Shield, Giant Wolf, Ruby Ring of Ruin)
Hobgoblin Khan [49 pts]
(Hand weapon, Throwing weapons, Great weapon, On foot)
++ Core Units [508 pts] ++
5 Black Orc Mob [85 pts]
(Hand weapon, Full plate armour, Stubborn, Veteran, 5x Shields, 5x Great weapon)
26 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [95 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)
15 Infernal Guard [328 pts]
(Hailshot blunderbluss, Heavy armour, Shield, Drilled (0-1 per 1000 points), Deathmask (champion), Standard bearer [Razor Standard], Musician)
++ Special Units [550 pts] ++
Iron Daemon [275 pts]
(Steam Cannonade, Hand weapons)
Iron Daemon [275 pts]
(Steam Cannonade, Hand weapons)
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This is Blunderbuss-focused list:
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Uzkul-Dhrath-Zharr 
[1989 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Chaos Dwarfs
++ Characters [649 pts] ++
Sorcerer-Prophet [295 pts]
- Darkforged weapon
- Heavy armour
- Level 4 Wizard
- General
- On foot
- Lore Familiar
- Ruby Ring of Ruin
- Daemonology
Black Orc Warboss [354 pts]
- Great weapon
- Full plate armour
- Wyvern
- Trollhide Trousers
- Effigy Of Mork
- Enchanted Shield
++ Core Units [700 pts] ++
15 Black Orc Mob [262 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Stubborn
- Veteran
- 8x Shields
- 13x Great weapon
- Boss
- Standard bearer
- Musician
20 Infernal Guard [438 pts]
- Hailshot blunderbluss
- Heavy armour
- Shield
- Drilled (0-1 per 1000 points)
- Blackshard Armour (0-1 per 1000 points)
- Deathmask (champion)
- Standard bearer [Razor Standard]
- Musician
++ Special Units [640 pts] ++
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
- Bolt thrower
- Hand weapons
- Light armour
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
- Bolt thrower
- Hand weapons
- Light armour
Iron Daemon [275 pts]
- Steam Cannonade
- Hand weapons
Iron Daemon [275 pts]
- Steam Cannonade
- Hand weapons
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I have few points left and could drop 1 BO/IG to get 10-15 cutthroats. Could protect balistasā¦
What do You guys think? What tweaks You recommend?
Iād try to find a way to get this fellow a mantle of stone. His high toughness will make up for the fact that he only has a 5+ armour save (unmodifiable though it may be) Maybe drop the foot Khan, slim the wolf Khan as much as possible (wolf, ring, done), and just make the hobos small units. MAYBE even put the warboss on a boar! Heāll be highly mobile, though lacking flight. Heāll not be a large target, so can hide easier, and will have 360Ā° vision. Also armoured hide 1 to spiff up armour while using the great weapon. Itās really not a bad choice. The wyvern is meh except for its wings.
The iron daemons really benefit from hellbound too, but I realize itās a tight squeeze. At any rate, itās a nightmare list to be sure.
Daemonology is good, but Travel Mystical Pathways and plague of rust are essential to making this list work. Elementalism all the way.
A few more blunderbusses would pad the numbers in terms of preserving your ability to proc the re-rolls 1ās to wound.
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Welll. Stomps are also great and big rule - terror.
Daemonology is good, but Travel Mystical Pathways and plague of rust are essential to making this list work. Elementalism all the way.
I agree. Elementalism with bluderbussess is better. Must have forgotten to switch that.
IF they shoot a Large Target. This rule is just bad. You have to have 20 models shootingā¦
The problem is that, since itās not a behemoth, those few D3 stomps have 0AP
Yeahā¦ I havenāt played them myself, so donāt know how difficult it is to get all of them to shoot at a non-large target 
Might just be geometrically impossibleā¦
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You have to get charged by Large Target or set a 10x2 line and shoot without movingā¦
Wouldnāt that still only result in 15 models shooting? If weāre talking volley fire. Maybe on a hill? Situational. 1*20+ on stand & shoot would also do it, I suppose.
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20+ in one linÄ? I would say with plague and razor banner a volley of 20 dwarfs against a dragonā¦ Is deadly.
4-5 wounds at -5 AP. A combat Dwarfs can win with banner and ranks. If they do, another 20 shots next turn.
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20 dwarfs shoot d3ā30 shots. Hitting on 5+, 10 hits, wounding on 6+, 1-2 wounds. But yes, AP a lot. Iām not sold on them, as you can tell Iād run them just to try, but I donāt have enough blunderbuss models, and the ones I do have, Iām not that fond of painting tbph
Why on 5+? They hit on 5+ when they move. This is āfreeā shooting, before they get charged. They get no -1 for Stand&Shoot, so 20 models get 40 shots on average on 4+.
No Idea why but I did like 25 models 4 model āking of a shieldā filler so I can not wait to try Razer banner with them. They do a solid job already without it.
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