Balista against flyers, DSR vs infantry. I do like the -2 Ld. This can make a big difference.
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Cheap wolves and a Khan. Run them separately, get them up in their face. You take the graoshot with one, charge in the other. You should win combat and be amongst their back line.
Steam tank then becomes easier to deal with.
Blood od Hashut. Can you use 2+ viles in the same turn of combat?
Also what is now best items for chariot orc bosses? Dead āArd Armour make chariot T6 and and 4+ save and Trousers gives him Regen 4+ and 3+ saveā¦
I has 3 games for out league.
First gamÄ against best player and his WoC list. Except for a lot of successful Wars saved on 5+ on chaos side 2 things went wrong for me. First Great Taurus with multiple wounds (D3) pushed dragon Ogres back and rolled 4 on overrun (on 3 Dice) and instead of flanking chaos warriors he exposed his flank to a chariot lord. You can ser that on a 2nd picture.
Second thing was Bull centaurs loosing a successful charge against 5 chaos knights. I did 1 wound out of 8 impact hits and 7 atttacks and Khan got killed by a single knight. Not my dayā¦
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Second game was against VC do a other top list and player.
The gamÄ was a draw but my taurusai were Rolling badly against Grave Guard all game. In 6 rotunds od combat killed one bsb and 4 guardsmen on totalā¦ Key moment of the gamÄ was when mounted vampires rolled super high and got into my bulls though an lineal obstacle.
Destroyed one baggage train and secured another but list the middle due to poor combats.
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Iāll give the sneaky gitās and wolfs with a Khan another go. Bull centaurs become too much of a target.
Thoughts on these lists for competitive play?
++ Characters [477 pts] ++
Daemonsmith Sorcerer [85 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], On foot, Daemonology)
Infernal Seneschal [152 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Shield, Battle Standard Bearer [The Lammasuās Beard], On foot)
Daemonsmith Sorcerer [145 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Wizard [Level 2 Wizard], General, On foot, Dispel Scroll, Enchanted Shield, Daemonology)
Hobgoblin Khan [95 pts]
(Hand weapon, Throwing weapons, Light armour, Shield, Giant Wolf, Ruby Ring of Ruin)
++ Core Units [800 pts] ++
21 Black Orc Mob [376 pts]
(Hand weapon, Full plate armour, Stubborn, 14x Shields, 7x Great weapon, 7x Additional hand weapon, Boss, Standard bearer [The Big Red Raggedy Flag], Musician)
10 Infernal Guard [150 pts]
(Fireglaives, Heavy armour)
30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [137 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Light armour, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)
30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [137 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Light armour, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)
++ Special Units [640 pts] ++
Iron Daemon [310 pts]
(Steam Cannonade, Hand weapons, Hellbound)
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher [120 pts]
(Demolition Rockets, Infernal Incendiaries, Hand weapons, Heavy armour)
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher [120 pts]
(Demolition Rockets, Infernal Incendiaries, Hand weapons, Heavy armour)
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)
++ Rare Units [79 pts] ++
5 Hobgoblin Wolf Riders [79 pts]
(Hand weapons, Light armour, Shields, Reserve Move (0-1 per 1000 points), Boss (champion), Musician)
++ Characters [315 pts] ++
Daemonsmith Sorcerer [85 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], On foot, Daemonology)
Daemonsmith Sorcerer [135 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Wizard [Level 2 Wizard], General, On foot, Dispel Scroll, Daemonology)
Hobgoblin Khan [95 pts]
(Hand weapon, Throwing weapons, Light armour, Shield, Giant Wolf, Ruby Ring of Ruin)
++ Core Units [571 pts] ++
30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [137 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Light armour, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)
30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [137 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Light armour, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)
30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [137 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Light armour, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)
10 Infernal Guard [160 pts]
(Fireglaives, Heavy armour, Shield)
++ Special Units [995 pts] ++
Iron Daemon [310 pts]
(Steam Cannonade, Hand weapons, Hellbound)
Iron Daemon [310 pts]
(Steam Cannonade, Hand weapons, Hellbound)
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher [120 pts]
(Demolition Rockets, Infernal Incendiaries, Hand weapons, Heavy armour)
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher [120 pts]
(Demolition Rockets, Infernal Incendiaries, Hand weapons, Heavy armour)
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)
++ Rare Units [76 pts] ++
5 Hobgoblin Wolf Riders [76 pts]
(Hand weapons, Light armour, Shields, Feigned Flight (0-1 per 1000 points), Musician)
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Hey mate,
With the first list you have to take a block orc boss to use the black orc mobs because of their āDa Boyzā special rule
The second list is sweet, where are you putting the lvl 2 and what do you want it to do? If youāre putting it in with the iron guard youāre going to have to get him within 18ā of the enemy wizard to dispel and makes that unit a pretty big target - double iron daemon is always so much fun I donāt usually runHellbound at T7 and a 3+ save not a lot of things are going to wound it but the magic attacks are helpful if youāre playing into ethereal armies in your meta and you donāt get punished that badly for misfiring with it
I couldnāt remember whilst writing the list if I needed to put a black roc boss with them so will have a look again at that list.
The level 2 the idea was to kinda babysit the death shreikers as wellā¦ not the best of ideas I know but I felt the level 2 was needed for the list I could be wrong though
The idea behind hellbound was for terror and magical attacks, with an unknowing opponent as well this was my thought because looking at vampire counts and tomb kings itās going to be needed the 6+ ward was an added bonus in my opinion as you know when you need it you may be able to pull it off 
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I really wanted to try and run a taurāruk in the list but I just canāt see the bull centaurs being worth the points to have him
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All good!
If the lvl 2 is going to sit with the DSR to shave some points you could make it a lvl 1 and take off the dispel scroll and give both wizards the demonology sig to blow up any ambushers or whoever get too close! I donāt know how many wizards are going to be in your dispel bubble at the back of the board but that doesnāt mean it canāt happen! Hahah
Ahh yep yep yep, the terror and ward are definitely a bonus for sure!
I run the Taurāruk by himself with 2 mantle of stones, an enchanted shield and GW because heās a lone character he moves as a skirmisher with 360los and no facing which can definitely catch an unsuspecting opponent out, all of his added special rules make him pretty formidable on the charge even into infantry giving you time for everything else to move up and support or have him as the support flanker
Do you not need to take the bull centaur renders to take the taurāruk?
Maybe more of a viable option to take the other Daemonsmith as a level one like you say!
Os or still readable to take the black orcs is another concern of mineā¦ the reason behind me saying this is thatās itās roughly around 500 points now for a unit of 21 which is a quarter of the armyās points
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Not if the army is done due to the Renegade army pack. Taurāruk is moved to a rare choice and has the Render unit restriction lifted.
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Just a heads up, you are not allowed to take a magical shield if the base model is not allowed to carry a non magical shield.
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oh yea sorry as Jasko said I play using the renegades pack so stuff is in different slots with a lot less restriction
As for the black orcs I donāt know too much about them as I donāt have the models or a black orc war boss because you canāt have one without the other but the most competitive lists (that use renegades) Take a black orc war boss on wyvern and only 5 BOrcs (the minimum allowed) because they arenāt worth the investment and the motley crew rules can get a bit iffy and confusing at times but do exactly what youāve done and take large bricks of the hobgoblins for great objective control so great thinking there!
Ah ok makes more sense now, think Iād rather stick with the normal legacy faction rules rather the renegade as Iām assuming that it isnāt an official list?
the hobgoblins I think work great now with the 4+ save in combat! And letās face it at 137 points itās worth while!
Iāll have another look at the army list and repost!
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Legacy faction list revised
++ Characters [277 pts] ++
Daemonsmith Sorcerer [85 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], General, On foot, Dark Magic)
Daemonsmith Sorcerer [85 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Wizard [Level 1 Wizard], On foot, Dark Magic)
Hobgoblin Khan [107 pts]
(Hand weapon, Throwing weapons, Great weapon, Light armour, Giant Wolf, Ruby Ring of Ruin, Enchanted Shield)
++ Core Units [694 pts] ++
15 Infernal Guard [283 pts]
(Fireglaives, Heavy armour, Shield, Deathmask (champion), Standard bearer [Overseerās Sigil], Musician)
30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [137 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Light armour, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)
30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [137 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Light armour, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)
30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [137 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shields, Light armour, Boss (champion), Standard bearer, Musician)
++ Special Units [950 pts] ++
Iron Daemon [310 pts]
(Steam Cannonade, Hand weapons, Hellbound)
Iron Daemon [310 pts]
(Steam Cannonade, Hand weapons, Hellbound)
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher [120 pts]
(Demolition Rockets, Infernal Incendiaries, Hand weapons, Heavy armour)
Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher [120 pts]
(Demolition Rockets, Infernal Incendiaries, Hand weapons, Heavy armour)
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)
Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)
++ Rare Units [76 pts] ++
5 Hobgoblin Wolf Riders [76 pts]
(Hand weapons, Light armour, Shields, Feigned Flight (0-1 per 1000 points), Musician)
They are, just make sure you are never disrupted otherwise your Ld is going to tank hard. But again, levies not big deal if they fold like wet napkins ā¦
Iāll try a āhobgoblin khanateā army one of these days.
Iāll have to respectfully disagree here, GW shields Black orcs are really good value for 15 pts/minis. Donāt bother with the motley crew, create uniform units. Thatās what I do and the few points you burn into this is worth not having a headache and killing the flow of the game.
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To be fair what Iām thinking is putting the fireglaibe unit behind with the overseers Virgil so all three units should be goodā¦ place the deamonsmith in the unit of fireflies and should use his leadership if needed.
I really want the black orca but to make them work itāll be around 700 points for them to be practical as a unit of 21 the more Iām looking into it.
Dual demon is deffo the way to go I believe which again is nearly a third of the points in 2k
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Going over their stats and special rules I reckon youāve got a really good point - pretty much the same output as IS on the charge but also re-rolling 1ās, very very tempting - do you give the unit a banner aswell and how do you kit up your BOrc war boss and do you run a wizard in your usual list?
Do you mean the hobgrots? The same as irons worn or black orcs? Apologise
Originally I planned on running a wyvern but itās not looking like it now with the new rules