[TOW] Let's get competitive

Here is a hobogoblin list.

++ Characters [546 pts] ++
Sorcerer-Prophet [365 pts]
(Darkforged weapon, Heavy armour, Level 4 Wizard, General, Lammasu [Sorcerous Exhalation], Armour of Meteoric Iron, Elementalism)

Hobgoblin Khan [87 pts]
(Hand weapon, Throwing weapons, Cavalry spear (if appropriately mounted), Giant Wolf, Ruby Ring of Ruin)

Hobgoblin Khan [47 pts]
(Hand weapon, Throwing weapons, Shortbow (instead throwing weapons), On foot)

Hobgoblin Khan [47 pts]
(Hand weapon, Throwing weapons, Shortbow (instead throwing weapons), On foot)

++ Core Units [360 pts] ++
10 Infernal Guard [156 pts]
(Fireglaives, Heavy armour, Deathmask (champion))

30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [102 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shortbow, Boss (champion), Standard bearer)

30 Hobgoblin Cutthroats [102 pts]
(Hand weapons, Shortbow, Boss (champion), Standard bearer)

++ Special Units [520 pts] ++
Iron Daemon [310 pts]
(Steam Cannonade, Hand weapons, Hellbound)

Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)

Hobgoblin Bolt Thrower [45 pts]
(Bolt thrower, Hand weapons, Light armour)

10 Sneaky Gits [60 pts]
(Two hand weapons, throwing weapons)

10 Sneaky Gits [60 pts]
(Two hand weapons, throwing weapons)

++ Rare Units [70 pts] ++
5 Hobgoblin Wolf Riders [70 pts]
(Hand weapons, Cavalry spears, Light armour, Shields, Feigned Flight (0-1 per 1000 points))


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I keep adding a prophet on Taurus BUT lamassu is also a solid choice… Right?

What rolę is he better at as a mage mount than bale Taurus?

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In my games the lamassu is a great choice.
He has never died from combat even when caught out woth melee lords because their magic weapon becomes useless.

He was however routed by a mob of spearmen and chased down.

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Great Hobo list.
I think the 10 Infernal Guard will be looking over their shoulders a lot. As they should.
PBH

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Both are good choices. The Bale Taurus is clearly geared towards combat, that beast needs to be in the thick of it. Therefore you need to kit out your Sorc for combat.

The Lammasu is an interesting choice. It’s a bit more affordable and offers some great defensive boost for your Sorc. You can go into (certain) combat, but you don’t feel like you have to. And that breath weapon is serious business. I like it a lot.

A bit more on that in the Big Chaos Dwarfs Tactics Compendium

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Sneaky Gits like blacks/reds so this would be a FAST job. Regular goblins - I would have to paint them the same way as wolf riders and balista crew… I might do that :stuck_out_tongue: This is how it always ends. A small project turns into “I need all options”.

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How You kit Yours? With defensive tools or offensive weapons?

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So far I think I prefer the Lammasu version. The Bale Taurus is strong, but you’ll struggle to transform that Sorcerer-Prophet into a true melee character.

But the lone character on flying carpet is also interesting, as the monster narrows down the vision arc for spell casting. Anyway, lots of variety

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IT all comes down to what spells we want. Both fly(12) and teleport should kick off turn 1 to keep key units in front of a caster. Then we can move caster on a flank, debuff enemy units or buff ours.

When those 6+ Rolls fail we loose momentum from the start.

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Lamassu prophet is great in melee vs lords and monsters, as well from experience just not vs mobs.

All you need is Deamonology and a darkforged weapon.
Silvered steel armour and a ward save are also great

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Daemonology seems very offensive when Elementalism feels better for shooty lists.

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I haven’t played in decades so I find everyone’s comments very helpful. I don’t have any of the new minis and wasn’t sure I wanted to buy them (keep it all 1994 minis). Any thoughts on making it work?

Based upon the comments above I’ve started to pull together a sneaky bits unit and two goblin archers units. I have the earth shaker and three death rockets for engines.

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Rhyfel

Again welcome.
One thing I have learned from this sight is there is no right or wrong way to build your army.
It has a lot of factors to consider like how you play/ style of play. What you like, the look or feel of.
Do you want to win at whatever cost? Or do you like the story of the game and “may the better general win”? Or, I just want to have a great game.
I also have a somewhat large army from 94. At first my thoughts were I need all the new shiny bits, like Iron demons, lava cannons and armies of Azorth??? Or whatever.
But that is not what I was building back in 94.
I was building and playing a mostly Chaos Dwarf foot troop army with blunderbuss and great weapons.
I did good with them, back in the day. Evan unpainted which I will never do again.
So, to be fair to my army I’m using what I have, if it be tactical suicide or not. It goes with my story how they all came together.
It is roughly based around 100 Dwarfs with half as blunders and Glaives. Ball park @ 16pts ea. 1600 points.
Our group we are getting back together usually play 3000 point battles. So plenty of points left for Hero’s/and Vacationist’s two units of Hobo archers, maybe four?
And of course I have 23 Sneaky Gits somehow I have to use.
I think mandatory Black Orcs and 3 Hobgoblin bolt throwers will be brought also.
Sorry so long winded just to say get done what you have, play some fun games and see what you need to fill in the gaps.
May I suggest some of the very nice Fire glaives from very talented people on this sight. They are fantastic.

Lastly PRAISE BE HASHUT.

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Welcome :slight_smile: the game is fairly balanced atm so LordofChaos is 100% correct. If you want to be competitive i would suggest looking at the competitive lists and see the common denomiators. Blunderbusses and level 4 Sorcerer prophets are very good :slight_smile: especially with teleporting units and warmachines all over the place :slight_smile: and works great for big hats.

Most TOs and players are happy with 3d printed chorfs and there are some great files out there (PM me if you want some). i find Hobgoblin archers are great, death rockets are good as well (I just have bad luck with them) and will be better with a deamonsmith babysitter with Doombolt and ruby ring of ruin is good :slight_smile:

I would recommend a Iron Deamon (train) and again there are some great files out there for it and they are fun and strong (CHOO CHOO MF). A mount for your level 4 Socerer prohet is also competitive.

Anything can work but these make it easier imho from a competitive standpoint. I hope this helps.

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I am Mantic fan so I have used their Abyssal Dwarfs range. With some 1994 classics!

I love blunderbussiers…i think elementalism is needed with those too.

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Thank you both. Definitely not a win at all cost. Just enjoy a good story and fight, usually part of a campaign. I always had bad luck with my death rockets and earth shaker, but just being on the battlefield would fill folks with dread. I still got a lot to paint / repaint while I look for a good group of folks to play.

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It must be a real thing?
They are my fav…
Strategically wise not the best but… got I love em.
Has anyone here on the post ever shot one??
I made one when I was a kid, 12???
At 12 you do not take into effect chamber pressure and copper
decompression under stress overload…Lets leave it at that…
But it was AWLSOME.

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Does old world have campaign rules yet?
If so hell yes. I love campaigns to get some sense of progression with the games instead of one off games. Doesn’t mean cant be competitive, but i do definitely hate cheesing games. I love a good hard fight down to the wire and having good units instilling fear in my opponent’s before the dice even starts rolling muhahaha

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Not a fan of cheesing. Back in the day our group would lay down some house rules to prevent such nonsense.

As far as campaigns, we usually ended up making our own. Custom maps with smaller territory blocks carved out and situations for who got to stay alive at the end of battles and reinforcements for the next round. Also allied multiple attacks. Made for some good battles. Again, per the point above had to lay out good rules up front and remind throughout.

Took a lot of planning to do it right. Helped when there were two folks pulling it together.

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I noticed there is a lot of 3D printer models out there. Unfortunately the local store doesn’t allow them or proxies for play. Though with newer plastic models I have no idea how they would tell.

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